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Kentucky Tony
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Re: Possible new trains?
« Reply #15 on Oct 7, 2009, 5:55pm »

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Short car, wider bodied trains are already tried and tested.

How about 4-wheel wagons on 7-foot gauge - that's surely been tested!

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Re: Possible new trains?
« Reply #16 on Oct 11, 2009, 12:00pm »

Oct 6, 2009, 9:58am, tubeflight wrote:

To be quite honest, I just wish the rail industry would stick with trains (and other technology such as signalling) that have a tried, tested and trusted record of reliability instead of taking leaps with "radical" new designs that lead us to the inevitable lengthy "teething troubles" - which eventually necessisate endless line-closures to put right what should have been right from the start had ambition not exceeded practicality.

I have to say thats very short sighted of you. The main reason new trains designs are being bidded for is the fact no current train does whats needed. Using Thameslink as an example of here as I work there. The current design of train cannot simply cope with the amount of people using the stations and trains currently never mind what is projected for 10 years time. The only way to achieve the capacity needed would be to double Thameslink through the Core section and likes likely it would need three tracks each way within 20 years. This would mean a massive buliding plan costing billions of pounds and destroying everything in its path. Historical building would have to be knocked down as their foundations would be in the way along with local roads and stations.

These trains are design to provide a step change in capacity that current stock cannot cope with. That is the real reason for these rather than upgrading for the sake of it. Also note the idea in theory is to provide a standard stock for the next ten years like the current Electrostar and Desiro models do currently.

Also Im sure any people with difficults in travelling, ie wheelchair user will welcome upgrading trains.

Current delivery is along these lines with months of testing. Currently 6-9 months of testing is expected if not more.

2012
*New depot open before the first trains arrive at Three bridges
*Testing "south of London" in 2012 (March-May is suggested)

2013
*First NXEMU in service on TL (original plan had one "full length" train in service for the Olympics)

2014
*New depot at Hornsey open
*Testing "north of London"
*First GN passenger run

2015 - December
*St Pancras - Finbury Park link open

Note as well FCC used a current technology in the 377/5 and they are currently one of the most unrealible train in service (amoung the EMUs) so sometimes sticking with the current techology isn't a great idea either. Sure the passengers using the Jubilee would agree too with the older ex-Central Line signalling always running into problems.

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Re: Possible new trains?
« Reply #17 on Oct 11, 2009, 6:08pm »

the standardisation versus innovation debate has been going on for almost as long as there have been railways. If you take standardisation to its logical conclusion then Stephenson's rocket might still be on the list for Thameslink.

I would not want to standardise on Electrostars or Desiros. they are good trains but far too heavy - amongst other deficiencies.

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