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Re: The New Circle
« Reply #165 on Nov 5, 2009, 9:18pm »
Regarding the need to know where the trains started from, I wonder if we will see a return of the 1938 Tube Stock method of propping up an enamelled yellow plate that reads "Via Earl's Court" on one side and "Via Wood Lane" on another.

If the service succeeds (which seems unlikely based on some of the posts here), then you could modify the roller blinds.
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Re: The New Circle
« Reply #166 on Nov 6, 2009, 7:28am »

Nov 5, 2009, 9:17pm, Dstock7080 wrote:

Nov 5, 2009, 5:57pm, metman wrote:
Will the destination blinds need to be amended?

Post number #49 by 21146 was quoting from a District Line staff newsletter of the time.


That quote says that trains in each direction will show "Circle Line via Aldgate" until they get there, where they will switch to "Circle Line to Hammersmith" or "Circle Line to Edgware Road".

This means that you would have trains on opposite faces of the island platform 1 and 2 at Edgware Road, both for "Circle Line via Aldgate", but going in opposite directions! That doesn't seem very helpful!
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Re: The New Circle
« Reply #167 on Nov 6, 2009, 7:44am »
I'm sure just having "Circle - Hammersmith" and "Circle - Edgware Road" would be enough to cover it. Having a "via" will surely only confuse the issue.
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Re: The New Circle
« Reply #168 on Nov 6, 2009, 8:43am »
I see that the light-box describer at High Street Kensington EB has now been removed.

Probably to be replaced with a fixed "all trains go to Edgware Road" board, in the name of "investment programme"?
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« Reply #169 on Nov 6, 2009, 12:24pm »

Nov 5, 2009, 7:03pm, Colin wrote:
Whilst Upminster have made their feelings known to Scheduling, I'm not so sure an official objection has gone in - so you'd certainly be wrong to say all depots have rejected it.

My understanding is ...It would be more accurate to state Upminster depot reps have made their feelings known to scheduling ... as opposed to the feelings of their membership. Upminster depot reps (apparently) having taken the line they have no position to reject anything so long as it meets rostering framework agreements. (They don't take this line on a load of other irrelevant things where they also have no direct position to reject them).


Nov 5, 2009, 7:03pm, Colin wrote:
Hammersmith (H&C) have objected but only on the grounds that it will become an 'extremes' depot (only earlies & lates)

Upminster looses most of it's middle turns and in consequence becomes an extremes depot too.
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Re: The New Circle
« Reply #170 on Nov 6, 2009, 4:51pm »
Oh, no different to the buses then......
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Re: The New Circle
« Reply #171 on Nov 6, 2009, 5:48pm »

Nov 6, 2009, 8:43am, Dstock7080 wrote:
I see that the light-box describer at High Street Kensington EB has now been removed.

Probably to be replaced with a fixed "all trains go to Edgware Road" board, in the name of "investment programme"?


For a company which is now looking towards "efficiencies" in the operational side of the business, which could mean anything from savage cuts to the photocopying budget to staff cuts, it's still amazing how much money gets wasted on things which are really not necessary.

I can see a situation in 5 years time when there are lots of blank dot-matrix indicators because there are not enough drivers to run the trains.
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Re: The New Circle
« Reply #172 on Nov 6, 2009, 7:33pm »

Nov 5, 2009, 5:58pm, happybunny wrote:
I have heard rumours that the timetable will not be coming in until after the new year.. this is due to ALL depots concerned having 'thrown out' the new rosters which are vital to the new service coming in.


Thrown out ???

So long as the rota been solved within the constraints set (i.e. drivers aren't driving for longer than the agreed time, have sufficient teabreak time etc), how are they able to be "thrown out"?

Either way, the process of generating a rota is NP-complete. For a system as complex as the Underground, it is probably very unlikely that a perfect solution to the problem will be found.
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Re: The New Circle
« Reply #173 on Nov 7, 2009, 12:43am »

Nov 6, 2009, 5:48pm, North End wrote:
I can see a situation in 5 years time when there are lots of blank dot-matrix indicators because there are not enough drivers to run the trains.


Become pertubed when you see a WTT beginning with 'A(number)'

Start worrying if you see a Saturday WTT beginning with 'C(number)'

If there is ever a WTT issued with 'E(number)' then become quite worried......

(apologies to non-timetable types who won't see the humour)
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« Reply #174 on Nov 7, 2009, 3:06pm »
To go back to the various routes mentioned up-thread, I suspect most people prefer a route that doesn't involve changing trains even if it isn't quite the quickest, i.e sitting in a train is preferred to standing on a platform.

I don't know if LUL knows what "value" people put on a through train, but IMHO it ought to!
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« Reply #175 on Nov 7, 2009, 8:41pm »
Well, when you think about it, perhaps they do. You can now get a through train from Hammersmith to Bayswater. Takes a little while but you don't have to get off the train and wait on the platform. Now we never had that travel opportunity before ;D ;D
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Re: The New Circle
« Reply #176 on Nov 7, 2009, 9:16pm »

Nov 7, 2009, 8:41pm, MetControl wrote:
Takes a little while but you don't have to get off the train and wait on the platform. Now we never had that travel opportunity before ;D ;D


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Re: The New Circle
« Reply #177 on Nov 8, 2009, 7:20pm »

Nov 7, 2009, 8:41pm, MetControl wrote:
Well, when you think about it, perhaps they do. You can now get a through train from Hammersmith to Bayswater. Takes a little while but you don't have to get off the train and wait on the platform. Now we never had that travel opportunity before ;D ;D


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the quickest" but this might come in handy if I'm ever at Bayswater & get asked the train for Hammersmith by an Albanian "businessman". Though I doubt he'd use the Tube.
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Re: The New Circle
« Reply #178 on Nov 11, 2009, 1:54pm »
Unfortunately, despite what some of us on here thought (including myself!) a start has already been made to replace the many enamelled signs around the system to show the 'extended' Circle Line:

http://tinyurl.com/ykk95zb
http://tinyurl.com/yzmrkuu
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http://tinyurl.com/ylfkmt8
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Re: The New Circle
« Reply #179 on Nov 11, 2009, 2:34pm »

Nov 11, 2009, 1:54pm, Dstock7080 wrote:
Unfortunately, despite what some of us on here thought (including myself!) a start has already been made to replace the many enamelled signs around the system to show the 'extended' Circle Line

Yes, I noticed that at KX this morning and have to eat my words of last week!

This means the new line is pretty permanent - if not, an awful lot of money will have been wasted. Fingers crossed it works OK come 13 December...

Incidentally, why is Wood Lane not shown as an interchange on the new line diagrams?
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