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Re: Replacement bus service
« Reply #15 on Dec 10, 2007, 11:23pm »

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The East London line trains / stations are not accessible are they? So why do the buses need to be ???

I expect it's down to reasonable practicality being appliable only to existing infrastructure and arrangements. With the bus service being a 'new' service it can not be exempt from access requirements. Whereas to make all stations on the ELL fully accesible was not reasonably practical. Even with the 'new' ELL there are constraints that will prevent full accessibility, but any new works will have to be made with improved accessibility in mind.
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Re: Replacement bus service
« Reply #16 on Dec 29, 2007, 9:47pm »

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author=aspect board=general thread=1144014820 post=1144014820]Hmm, this forum doesn't seem to have a section for matters pertaining to London Underground Replacement Buses ....


Thought those viewing might like to see the two historic UndergrounD style designs (diamonds and bars) used on some of the First bus fleet based at Dagenham Depot.

With TfL now clamping down heavily on innovation in contractor's service bus route displays, one can probably assume LUL bus blinds will soon be on the agenda which may be good or bad depending upon the operator ! :'( :) :'(

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further to that thread from last year, the buses used on the ELW replacement buses have the 'heritage blinds', which is a nice touch.

see HERE, with it on the front with no destination and HERE

if only TfL could resurrect this stylish logo.
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Re: Replacement bus service
« Reply #17 on Dec 29, 2007, 10:03pm »
What people seem to forget is it isn't a legal necessity to have low floor buses until 2017 - so they could create a new service with step entry buses and it would be fine.
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Re: Replacement bus service
« Reply #18 on Dec 29, 2007, 10:09pm »
Many rail replacement services still use step entrance buses - you even get treated to the occasional RM or RT when Blue Triangle are involved!
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« Reply #19 on Dec 29, 2007, 10:13pm »
I used the diamond-style UndergrounD logo on the inside front page (Editorial) of the magazines that I edited. Yes, UndergrounD of course!
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« Reply #20 on Dec 29, 2007, 10:48pm »
I still fail to see why TfL insist on all buses being low floor, especially given that it's probably not actually improved the numbers of low floor buses accross the country.
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Re: Replacement bus service
« Reply #21 on Dec 29, 2007, 11:12pm »
well, the actual problem is, if they wanted step-entrance buses, is in sourcing the buses as pretty much the only step entrance buses are trainers, and they are starting to be low floor now as ABS is a requirement for test buses.

Also the LEZ (Low Emission Zone) it coming into force next year with pre-1973 vehicles exempt, it will leave Metrobuses and others useless. The alternative is an Olympian or other modern step-entrance bus, but those are still in high demand throughout the country.

These buses won't be disposed of immediately after the ELL replacement though.

Justification enough, TC ? ;D
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Re: Replacement bus service
« Reply #22 on Dec 29, 2007, 11:26pm »
Sourcing the buses shouldn't be a problem, First have enough non-low-floor buses kicking around to sink a ship.
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« Reply #23 on Dec 30, 2007, 12:08am »
Interesting pictures on the side the replacement buses, London Underground rail replacement with Electrostars on the side.
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« Reply #24 on Dec 30, 2007, 11:55pm »
i really hate people who hate tfl for havin onlly low foor buses, kim a bus fan and luv the vrs and nationals ect but its 2007 disabled peole have rights to acsses on buses how selfish people are who want old buse ect what bout pepole who cant walk or find it imposable to get up the steps what are they spoused to say "oh look nice old leyland national nice old routemaste lovley but we cant get on it " what a discrase thank god tfl who unlike the captalist likes of first arriva ect have gone 100% low foor i have to travel on london buses every day and im glad it is so lovley buses warm, no noise and every 5- 10 mins, why on earth would you want to creat a new service with step entrence buses onlly? i would luv it as a bus spotter but dont think the 2007 public would sorry but the days of step entrence have long gone thank god
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« Reply #25 on Dec 31, 2007, 11:07am »

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i really hate people who hate tfl for havin onlly low foor buses, kim a bus fan and luv the vrs and nationals ect but its 2007 disabled peole have rights to acsses on buses how selfish people are who want old buse ect what bout pepole who cant walk or find it imposable to get up the steps what are they spoused to say "oh look nice old leyland national nice old routemaste lovley but we cant get on it " what a discrase thank god tfl who unlike the captalist likes of first arriva ect have gone 100% low foor i have to travel on london buses every day and im glad it is so lovley buses warm, no noise and every 5- 10 mins, why on earth would you want to creat a new service with step entrence buses onlly? i would luv it as a bus spotter but dont think the 2007 public would sorry but the days of step entrence have long gone thank god


The ELL isn't providing a cross Thames bus service because TfL can't source a low floor bus suitable -although a stepped bus would be available.

Now the ELL bus service is replacing a rail service that also wasn't accessible. So affectively we are now removing a service to the entire population because we can't offer the replacement service to a section of the community that couldn't use the service in the first place.

Sadly just like the Health & Safety at work Act and the Data Protection Act, the Disablity Discrimination Act is being used by piss poor organisations as an excuse not to offer the community the service they want.

Greater freedom for those unable to use current services is of course important, but as a community we all need to decide if these changes are worth the cost and the possible removal of "non-complienet" services. Now 100% of buses are accessible, have we seen the end of the subsidies taxi-card service? Will we see the end of mobility allowance and the blue badge scheme?

My suggestion would be to remove the mobility allowance in all but the most severe cases of lack of mobility and use this money to boost a low floor public transport system.
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Re: Replacement bus service
« Reply #26 on Dec 31, 2007, 11:39am »

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the days of step entrence have long gone thank god


Er, if you would care to look outside of the capital, the days of step entrance buses have not long gone! In fact only a couple of years ago we got a load of Olympians which were "new buses", because London didn't want them anymore.

Quite simply, the TfL tender system means companies such as First and Arriva buy new low floor buses for London, if they weren't forced to they wouldn't.
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« Reply #27 on Dec 31, 2007, 12:57pm »

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Er, if you would care to look outside of the capital, the days of step entrance buses have not long gone! In fact only a couple of years ago we got a load of Olympians which were "new buses", because London didn't want them anymore.

Quite simply, the TfL tender system means companies such as First and Arriva buy new low floor buses for London, if they weren't forced to they wouldn't.


There is also the supply and demand.
Some places like, have very little subsidising (unlike the huge amounts of money that subsidise London's Buses ::) ). they have frequent routes and a high number of low-floor buses. The operator has chosen to do this as; a) they have the money and d) to increase numbers.

A lot of new buses are leased and not owned by the operator. Even the big groups lease some of their buses, albeit through themselves! rather than a firm like Dawson Rentals.
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Re: Replacement bus service
« Reply #28 on Dec 31, 2007, 5:09pm »
I thought that there has been a tunnel bus service: on checking I had read this page:
http://www.londonbusroutes.net/photos/395.htm

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« Reply #29 on Dec 31, 2007, 7:06pm »
That link has already appeared in this thread - see reply #4 on page 1 ;)

Edit: infact if you read back through this thread, you'll also see in Aspect's reply #6 that the 395 no longer runs, and therefore no service buses now use the Rotherhithe tunnel ;)
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