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Post by Alight on Sept 11, 2010 21:15:09 GMT
Thanks for your response t697; certainly this is all news to me. 3. In the original scheme, the between station messages were supposed to be triggered by the Westinghouse ATC. When the moving block ATO/ATP got scrapped before it was even finished, the residual functions were just the ATO unit reading PAC loops at stations to give the station ID, CSDE and PED door control/proving. So there were no between station messages. Subsequently they have been provided. I'm not clear how, but it could be by distance counting in the ATO or the TMS systems which both interface to Passenger Information System. Perhaps someone closer to recent 96TS developments can tell us. How were the next station DMI's triggered then? Surely they'd be done in the same way as the automated announcements? Do you have any idea of the dates in which they upgraded the software to include the current format used today? (i.e. Celia's recordings and announcements played inbetween stations)
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Post by t697 on Sept 12, 2010 18:57:35 GMT
I can't quite remember the exact details of how the DMI Next Station messages were triggered now! I have a feeling that they followed automatically just after the train started from the previous station, based on the start of wheel rotation. At that time LU standards were for the next station audio to be 20 seconds before the next station and it got agreed we wouldn't do them until new signalling came along. Subsequently it has been implemented another way prior to the actual new signalling that will be completed soon(ish...!).
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Post by Alight on Feb 7, 2011 0:47:51 GMT
This is the more suitable thread for this next question I have (rather than creating a new one):
Does anyone have any recordings or memories of Vera on the Bakerloo and Victoria lines? I have a few audio clips myself of her in use on the Circle & Hammersmith. The system was extremely crude, I can tell you that!
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Post by Tomcakes on Feb 7, 2011 1:02:46 GMT
This is the more suitable thread for this next question I have (rather than creating a new one): Does anyone have any recordings or memories of Vera on the Bakerloo and Victoria lines? I have a few audio clips myself of her in use on the Circle & Hammersmith. The system was extremely crude, I can tell you that! Is that the woman who sounded depressed? Who was it - I always thought she sounded like Charlotte Green.
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Post by Alight on Feb 7, 2011 16:37:01 GMT
People refer to her as 'Vera' though whether this is her actual name or not, I don't know.
She can still be heard in the Mornington Crescent lift saying "Stand clear of the doors please." Otherwise, the following YouTube clip is an example of her at Regent's Park (I think she has since been replaced by 'stern woman'):
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Post by Alight on Apr 15, 2011 11:30:07 GMT
Probably the most appropriate thread for this YouTube link:
It features the Piccadilly line manually playing West Kensington, High Street Kensington and Ealing Broadway announcements. Interestingly there are no changes announced.
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Post by uzairjubilee on Apr 15, 2011 15:58:01 GMT
Ever since first travelling on the S Stock, I've wondered why the "please" in the 'All change please' announcement has gone. I don't have a problem with it, but I've just been curious. Was it taken out of the system because there were too many announcements in the system and so "please" seemed to be the best word to remove, or is there some other reason?
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Post by Alight on Apr 15, 2011 17:36:37 GMT
There is no please on the Piccadilly line either; it just says "all change".
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Post by t697 on Apr 23, 2011 19:44:20 GMT
Ever since first travelling on the S Stock, I've wondered why the "please" in the 'All change please' announcement has gone. I don't have a problem with it, but I've just been curious. Was it taken out of the system because there were too many announcements in the system and so "please" seemed to be the best word to remove, or is there some other reason? There was a bit of stripping out of message content during design to shorten the longer messages. The most noticeable being that interchange info is on approach to a station only, not at it. This is so as to give all the RVAR specified information and any platform gap and/or SDO door information while the train is stationary, without extending the stop excessively. Somewhat less necessary to shorten 'All Change' but I see it's not the first one to omit 'please'. We still say 'Please mind the gap ..., though!
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Post by superteacher on Apr 23, 2011 21:00:49 GMT
There used to be (and may still be ) a male voice on the 1992 stock. I once heard it say "Central line auto announcer 1,2,3,4,5 - 5,4,3,2,1). I only ever heard it once, back in the early days of the stock. It was definitely a DVA type voice though.
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Post by Alight on Apr 30, 2011 16:16:25 GMT
Last month the following video was uploaded to YouTube which offers you the chance to hear the DVA on the 1986 stock:
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Post by t697 on May 1, 2011 21:06:12 GMT
Last month the following video was uploaded to YouTube which offers you the chance to hear the DVA on the 1986 stock: Wow, I didn't know that run had been done, or maybe just forgot... Interesting to see the blue train was yet another with advert clips that didn't work properly!
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Post by Alight on May 15, 2011 13:11:41 GMT
The first post of this thread has been tweaked slightly to include some clips that provide the rarer announcers.
There is still no information about who voices the 2009, C and S stocks but I suspect she is the same voice-over O2 mobile use. If you use O2 and call '202' (free call) to check your remaining minutes and texts etc. you will hear a lady ("Hello and welcome to O2...") who sounds just like her!
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 5, 2011 20:51:43 GMT
They've recently changed the Piccadilly line terminus announcements for the T4/123 service. Instead of "Heathrow Terminals 4 and 123" it now reads "Heathrow Terminals 1, 2 and 3 via Terminal 4" Which is all rather strange as Terminal 2 no longer exists! Even the BAA have renamed it "Heathrow Central, Terminals 1 & 3".
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Post by v52gc on Jul 5, 2011 22:33:06 GMT
A small handful of trains say it this way and have done for a while, it also depends how the DVA is set up at the start of the trip (for example Cockfosters to Cockfosters via T4 loop or Cockfosters to Heathrow 1,2,3 via the loop)
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Post by Alight on Aug 5, 2011 17:03:23 GMT
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Post by phoenixcronin on Dec 30, 2015 17:42:31 GMT
Does anyone know if there are any plans to update the DVA on either the 95 or 96TS. The way I see it both of them have problems:
95TS: The announcements are actually very clear and flow nicely, and the voice is nice, but it still refers to National Rail as "Main line intercity and Suburban rail services" and also has no mention of the Overground.
96TS: Doesn't flow very well, as some of the newer announcements haven't been properly spliced in. Some of the worst examples are at West Hampstead "Change for National Rail services..(awkward pause).... and Landon Overgraaund (sic)", and at North Greenwich where the O2 announcement sounds awfully out of place e.g. "Change for the Emirates Air Line (completely different tone) AND THE O2"
Also with regards to the visual display the 95 still shows "Charing +"
Edit: Of course there are just my personal views as a lowly punter
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 19:40:08 GMT
They also next to fix the 96 DVA skipping "this station is..." announcement. Anyone know why it happens?
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Post by will on Dec 30, 2015 19:54:32 GMT
Each stock has a different DVA and really it could all do with standardising. The Victoria line is the best announcing which side the doors open, any interchanges and where the trains are going straight away i.e. this is Stockwell, doors will open on the right hand side, change for the Northern line, this is a Victoria line train to Walthamstow.
S Stock does it differently with the station name and any interchange, the next station is and the destination ie this is Goldhawk Road, the next station is Shephards Bush Market, this is a Hammersmith and City Line Train to Barking.
The Jubilee is by far the worst as it takes ages to give the destination when at a station and when it does says it like: this train terminates at Stratford. As mentioned any adjustments since 1996 ish are botched and are given in a different voice. The Northern is just weird with the mainline and suburban rail services.
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Post by phoenixcronin on Dec 30, 2015 20:02:00 GMT
Agreed I think the Vic has the best DVA of them all, flows very nicely. The S Stock is voiced by the same woman but sounds slightly different, but its still good.
I cant get my head around how the Jubilee announcements could be edited so badly. Any new additions are spliced sooo badly that the tone is completely different, and it sounds as if the voice is cut off at the end.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 30, 2015 21:20:08 GMT
"This train terminates at . . . Stratford." Why the gap? It never used to be there!
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Post by rail2210 on Dec 30, 2015 21:40:49 GMT
However the Victoria Line announcements do not always tell you what side the doors open, for examaple at Seven Sisters and they still haven't been updated to include the Overground at the stations where the services used to be run by Greater Anglia.
Recently though, I was on the Jubilee line at every stop there was an announcement along the lines of "Attention!! Thank you for travelling on the Jubilee line" it was very irritating...
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Post by North End on Dec 30, 2015 22:41:29 GMT
Each stock has a different DVA and really it could all do with standardising. The Victoria line is the best announcing which side the doors open, any interchanges and where the trains are going straight away i.e. this is Stockwell, doors will open on the right hand side, change for the Northern line, this is a Victoria line train to Walthamstow. S Stock does it differently with the station name and any interchange, the next station is and the destination ie this is Goldhawk Road, the next station is Shephards Bush Market, this is a Hammersmith and City Line Train to Barking. The Jubilee is by far the worst as it takes ages to give the destination when at a station and when it does says it like: this train terminates at Stratford. As mentioned any adjustments since 1996 ish are botched and are given in a different voice. The Northern is just weird with the mainline and suburban rail services. I suspect the Northern Line's suburban rail is a throwback to the days of Network SouthEast and Intercity. The original 92 stock made reference to these, no doubt by the time the 95 stock came along these terms were politically unacceptable (as well as out of date), and the term 'national rail' hadn't really come into use then, and likewise British Rail was also politically unacceptable. So they had to say something and that is what the designers chose. There has always been a reluctance to re-do the 95 stock as generally it's well liked and well regarded within LU. A few years ago a couple of trains were fitted with a completely new voice, but in the end they decided to stick with the original. Somewhere along the line it will need to be changed, I think it's not fully disability compliant as it, but I don't know the details. Personally I think the original 92 stock was the best seen so far. Matched by the male voice used by the 'professional services group' stations announcement system from 1989. Sadly both are now history.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 22:52:29 GMT
However the Victoria Line announcements do not always tell you what side the doors open, for examaple at Seven Sisters and they still haven't been updated to include the Overground at the stations where the services used to be run by Greater Anglia. Recently though, I was on the Jubilee line at every stop there was an announcement along the lines of "Attention!! Thank you for travelling on the Jubilee line" it was very irritating... The reason it doesn't say at 7 Sisters which side the doors are opening is because the can open on both sides.
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Post by Alight on Dec 30, 2015 23:37:30 GMT
Does anyone know if there are any plans to update the DVA on either the 95 or 96TS. The way I see it both of them have problems: I wrote into London Underground regarding these matters (including 'Charing +'!) a number of years ago. I'm struggling to pull out the specific response, however I seem to recall that they envisaged an upgrade to the '95 CIS as part of its mid-life refresh... obviously the CIS was left alone, probably owing to budgetary constraints. I certainly don't mind the uniqueness of the '95 stock announcements and so would rather they were left untouched. I suppose the Northern line has been lucky insofar that there haven't been any radical changes that have required significant updates, save London Overground, which let's be honest is covered sufficiently by 'suburban rail services'. They could have easily used the new 'London Overground' recording from the Jubilee line, however to my understanding on-board memory for the '95 stock CIS is limited, so this would have probably caused more trouble than was worth. Even if part of the Northern line was to be renamed, the "this train terminates at <insert>" message would still be valid! Each stock has a different DVA and really it could all do with standardising. This is achievable for the BCV and SSL, which are commonly supplied by Global Radio Systems. However, JNP uses Ketech Systems Limited as its supplier, which explains their lack of Sarah Parnell/Emma Clarke. Agreed I think the Vic has the best DVA of them all, flows very nicely. The S Stock is voiced by the same woman but sounds slightly different, but its still good. A lot of this falls down to how the announcements have been spliced together. The '09 stock took a leaf out of the D78's book and went for "This" ... "is <insert>" and "This is a District line train" ... "to <insert>" as distinct recordings, which sounds more natural than what the S Stock produces, which is "This is" ... "<insert station name here>" or "This is a" ... "Circle" ... "line train to" ..."<insert destination here>" Recently though, I was on the Jubilee line at every stop there was an announcement along the lines of "Attention!! Thank you for travelling on the Jubilee line" it was very irritating... These are manual announcements as selected by the T/Op, who must have been extra keen upon the journey you made! These manual announcements are voiced by Michael Meech. I suspect the Northern Line's suburban rail is a throwback to the days of Network SouthEast and Intercity. The original 92 stock made reference to these, no doubt by the time the 95 stock came along these terms were politically unacceptable (as well as out of date), and the term 'national rail' hadn't really come into use then, and likewise British Rail was also politically unacceptable. So they had to say something and that is what the designers chose. As you suggest, the '95 stock announcements were recorded during a bit of an odd period when privatisation was in full swing but 'National Rail' hadn't quite been adopted as a standardised term - that was to occur in 1999. This is why the generic term 'suburban rail services' has been used rather than specifying 'Network SouthEast'. In hindsight, they need not have differentiated - after all, the original Jubilee line recordings simply stated 'mainline services' without specifying whether these were local or long-distance. There has always been a reluctance to re-do the 95 stock as generally it's well liked and well regarded within LU. A few years ago a couple of trains were fitted with a completely new voice, but in the end they decided to stick with the original. Somewhere along the line it will need to be changed, I think it's not fully disability compliant as it, but I don't know the details. Only example I've seen of this is here; the few units that received such treatment have since reverted back to the original recordings. Notice how the newer voice is the same (Celia Drummond) but adopts a deeper tone, as heard on the 1996 stock. All 1995 stock's 'please mind the gap between the train and the platform' message similarly adopts a deeper tone, suggesting it was recorded at a slightly later date (probably at the same time the '96 stock announcements were recorded) Personally I think the original 92 stock was the best seen so far. Matched by the male voice used by the 'professional services group' stations announcement system from 1989. Sadly both are now history. Which male voice are you referring to? I though the 1992 stock was originally voiced by Janet Mayo only. What do you mean by 'professional services group'?
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Post by North End on Dec 31, 2015 0:02:16 GMT
Does anyone know if there are any plans to update the DVA on either the 95 or 96TS. The way I see it both of them have problems: I wrote into London Underground regarding these matters (including 'Charing +'!) a number of years ago. I'm struggling to pull out the specific response, however I seem to recall that they envisaged an upgrade to the '95 CIS as part of its mid-life refresh... obviously the CIS was left alone, probably owing to budgetary constraints. I certainly don't mind the uniqueness of the '95 stock announcements and so would rather they were left untouched. I suppose the Northern line has been lucky insofar that there haven't been any radical changes that have required significant updates, save London Overground, which let's be honest is covered sufficiently by 'suburban rail services'. They could have easily used the new 'London Overground' recording from the Jubilee line, however to my understanding on-board memory for the '95 stock CIS is limited, so this would have probably caused more trouble than was worth. Even if part of the Northern line was to be renamed, the "this train terminates at <insert>" message would still be valid! Each stock has a different DVA and really it could all do with standardising. This is achievable for the BCV and SSL, which are commonly supplied by Global Radio Systems. However, JNP uses Ketech Systems Limited as its supplier, which explains their lack of Sarah Parnell/Emma Clarke. Agreed I think the Vic has the best DVA of them all, flows very nicely. The S Stock is voiced by the same woman but sounds slightly different, but its still good. A lot of this falls down to how the announcements have been spliced together. The '09 stock took a leaf out of the D78's book and went for "This" ... "is <insert>" and "This is a District line train" ... "to <insert>" as distinct recordings, which sounds more natural than what the S Stock produces, which is "This is" ... "<insert station name here>" or "This is a" ... "Circle" ... "line train to" ..."<insert destination here>" Recently though, I was on the Jubilee line at every stop there was an announcement along the lines of "Attention!! Thank you for travelling on the Jubilee line" it was very irritating... These are manual announcements as selected by the T/Op, who must have been extra keen upon the journey you made! These manual announcements are voiced by Michael Meech. I suspect the Northern Line's suburban rail is a throwback to the days of Network SouthEast and Intercity. The original 92 stock made reference to these, no doubt by the time the 95 stock came along these terms were politically unacceptable (as well as out of date), and the term 'national rail' hadn't really come into use then, and likewise British Rail was also politically unacceptable. So they had to say something and that is what the designers chose. As you suggest, the '95 stock announcements were recorded during a bit of an odd period when privatisation was in full swing but 'National Rail' hadn't quite been adopted as a standardised term - that was to occur in 1999. This is why the generic term 'suburban rail services' has been used rather than specifying 'Network SouthEast'. In hindsight, they need not have differentiated - after all, the original Jubilee line recordings simply stated 'mainline services' without specifying whether these were local or long-distance. There has always been a reluctance to re-do the 95 stock as generally it's well liked and well regarded within LU. A few years ago a couple of trains were fitted with a completely new voice, but in the end they decided to stick with the original. Somewhere along the line it will need to be changed, I think it's not fully disability compliant as it, but I don't know the details. Only example I've seen of this is here; the few units that received such treatment have since reverted back to the original recordings. Notice how the newer voice is the same (Celia Drummond) but adopts a deeper tone, as heard on the 1996 stock. All 1995 stock's 'please mind the gap between the train and the platform' message similarly adopts a deeper tone, suggesting it was recorded at a slightly later date (probably at the same time the '96 stock announcements were recorded) Personally I think the original 92 stock was the best seen so far. Matched by the male voice used by the 'professional services group' stations announcement system from 1989. Sadly both are now history. Which male voice are you referring to? I though the 1992 stock was originally voiced by Janet Mayo only. What do you mean by 'professional services group'? The latter was the set of pre-recorded announcements heard on stations from 1989 onwards, utilising a male voice. Most commonly heard as the Inspector Sands and Evac messages on stations - it's possible a few stations retain this on their fire panels. There was a library of other messages, although the technology and message library was fairly basic and inflexible. Some of these announcements sounded pleasingly old-fashioned, such as "we are holding passengers in the booking hall as the platforms are rather crowded, please bear with us".
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Post by superteacher on Dec 31, 2015 0:16:04 GMT
In the early days of the 1992 stock, I sometimes heard a male DVA voice in the train which said "Central line auto announcer 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1."
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Post by rail2210 on Dec 31, 2015 11:31:56 GMT
I think the reason why the S Stock announces the next station as well as the destination is because on the Met Line it is useful to know what the next station is - especially if it's a fast train...
However, I don't think there is any problem with "Main Line Intercity and Suburban Rail Services" compared to "National Rail", both are better than listing every train company that serves a station, Is there a reason why National Rail was chosen instead of this?
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Post by superteacher on Dec 31, 2015 12:17:32 GMT
Mod comment: Posts from the recent thread on 95/96 stock DVA have been moved here. This thread contains a lot of info about DVA's, and the posts from the more recent thread follow on from this one. Enjoy!
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Post by will on Dec 31, 2015 14:43:30 GMT
Only example I've seen of this is here; the few units that received such treatment have since reverted back to the original recordings. Notice how the newer voice is the same (Celia Drummond) but adopts a deeper tone, as heard on the 1996 stock. All 1995 stock's 'please mind the gap between the train and the platform' message similarly adopts a deeper tone, suggesting it was recorded at a slightly later date (probably at the same time the '96 stock announcements were recorded) The Link doesn't work
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