Is there any reason Baker Street is shown as a destination at Whitechapel? If H&Cs reverse there, would they use the Met platforms? (Isn't it coincidental that this weekend there's no H&C running from Hammersmith to Baker Street?)
Just noticed this. Yes, they used to run a train or two each evening from Whitechapel to Neasden Depot. They ran passenger to Baker St and then empty to Neasden (usually up the Bakerloo).
back in the late 1970s when I worked out of Whitecahpel New Works depot we used to go everywhere by train on the night shift. My recollection is that the last couple of H&C trains leaving Whitechapel were both described as Liverpool Street, the last train did indeed go to Baker Street where we headed to the canteen to await Engineering Hours before going downstairs to work on the Jubilee Stage 1. However, the one before it IIRC got to Liverpool Street and the description changed to Circle Line, when it got to Farringdon the description was Stops Here and it got shunted into Farringdon sidings.
Always a company man, just an old 'hasbeen' now preparing to be a new 'was'. I doubt that anyone under 45 will understand the remark!
For the fear of this thread alerting authorities to non compliant heritage (*cough* Orwell *cough*) it actually seems to have inspired someone somewhere to refurbish the surviving examples! A really reassuring turn up for the books that! As always 21146, your pictures are an excellent and comprehensive record of Londons' Transport scene. Thank you
And no doubt will give no greater advance warning of trains than the present outdated system does (see also Mile End, Bow Road etc).
All the time you have the possibility of a westbound train coming from any of 3 platforms at Whitechapel, or converging from 2 different directions on the eastbound, you'll never get reliable predictions as the TD system won't necessarily know where the next train is coming from.
On top of that, I would imagine the TD's displayed at Aldgate East are via the computer at Baker Street. Given that the computer only covers Aldgate East on the westbound and only from Liverpool Street on the eastbound, it's not likely to be able to display anything more than it can 'see'.
All junction areas are the same and it is perhaps the one limitation of LU's TD system, but given how old the technology is it was probably a great boon when it was first introduced. As I'm sure you know, the TD system is part of the signalling system and that has perhaps failed to keep pace with current technology, and therefore peoples expectations given what's possible these days. Of course money is the big baddy here but things can only improve significantly with wholesale re-signalling.
Of course money is the big baddy here but things can only improve significantly with wholesale re-signalling.
Hopefully when the signalling eventually happens, it utilises the advanced technology of the time rather specifying what was the advanced technology when it was originally supposed to happen, but which by then is outdated.
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No it says the east-face is under replacement. The west-face has some long unseen "IF NO THROUGH TRAIN..." info re-lit, plus new references to NR instead of BR and a very odd style of arrow.
There are still some issues with the Cannon St describer. The 'if no through train...' lights still don't illuminate the complete text, and also, the next train (1,2,3) lights are also out of alignment. It's a pity that it wasn't tested properly. I'll see what I can do!
Update 19/10/10 They have now re-lamped the 1,2,3 bulbs but the 'if no through train to Wimbledon' sections need replacing (!) as they are incorrectly made, so will take a bit longer to sort out.
It is also worth noting, that the electrics for this are all original 1960's and they are in a poor state of repair in one of the rooms off the eastbound platform. The original scope of works was to re-lamp the board with 'LED' style lights, but it is clearly 'normal' golf-ball lamps and small fluorescent strips being used again.