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Post by fleetline on Mar 6, 2011 9:24:57 GMT
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Post by Chris M on Mar 6, 2011 11:00:39 GMT
I disagree with the need to move the West India Quay label, if it were west of the line then it would become cluttered with the Wapping label. They have changed the label though (comparing March 2011 pdf and October 2010 paper), despite there apparently being no other changes in the area: October 2010 March 2011 ------------ -------------- West India West Quay India Quay
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Post by mcmaddog on Mar 6, 2011 11:57:48 GMT
It does look shortlived as TCR is shown as an interchange with no note.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 6, 2011 15:20:24 GMT
Also surprised at other changes: - no mention now of opening times at; Kensington (Olympia), Heathrow T4, Chigwell, Grange Hill, Roding Valley, (they loose daggers) - no mention of 'change at Finchley Central for Mill Hill East at off-peak times' and removal of the note about Charing Cross branch, (daggers removed). - removal of the notes about Rayners Lane to Uxbridge, (daggers removed).
I guess the re-draw at Stratford is for the forthcoming DLR extension. The tidying of South Tottenham - Leyton Midland Road is welcome.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 16:07:34 GMT
What really needs to be done with West India Quay is - it should be closed and replaced by the walkway along the viaduct from the northern end of Canary Wharf station. Offtopic, nevermind.
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Post by Tomcakes on Mar 6, 2011 17:48:18 GMT
It's a shame those awful disabled splodges can't be got rid of, too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 18:38:01 GMT
Or at least replaced with another symbol.
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Post by thirstquensher on Mar 6, 2011 19:39:19 GMT
I just wish "Platform For Art" would desist on encouraging so called "artists" to contribute endless variations of 'tube line colours scattered in a geometric pattern' and calling it "art". Even worse when the write-up 'justifying' the piece adds even more condescension to the whole exercise - I think the "artist" says something like how the black background represents the darkness that we feel in our lives, that we escape from when we enter into the comforting bright interior of a tube station - or somesuch w@nkspeak. Remember the tube lines arranged as concentric rings, and remember the RAF bullseye, both of which were described, in slightly different ways, as indicating how the tube, and London, are synonymous with being a 'target' for visitors worldwide. I mean, really. You could shove a photo of a plughole on the front of the Tube Map and say the same thing, explaining that the phrase "The Drain" is synonymous with the Waterloo & City Line. Except that would be too imaginative.
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Post by thirstquensher on Mar 6, 2011 19:48:25 GMT
Also, I'm really surprised this version was even printed up in quantity. It must really indicate a substantial further slippage of the DLR extension.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 21:29:44 GMT
As mentioned in other threads, the new tube maps installed in the London Overground trains already have the DLR extension marked - and are identical to the other map apart from that.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 6, 2011 22:27:40 GMT
Also, I'm really surprised this version was even printed up in quantity. It must really indicate a substantial further slippage of the DLR extension. I don't think there is as much joined-up thinking as that comment would imply!
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Post by madonion on Mar 7, 2011 0:04:55 GMT
Why does it show a long interchange between mile end central and sub surface lines?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2011 0:06:42 GMT
Why does it show a long interchange between mile end central and sub surface lines? Because the lines run parallel on the map and aren't paired. Take note of Finsbury Park.
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Post by malcolmffc on Mar 7, 2011 7:07:07 GMT
It's a shame those awful disabled splodges can't be got rid of, too. Agreed. It would be far better for TfL to just print a special "access impaired" (or whatever the politically correct term is) version of the map, and keep the blobs off the main map. Especially since the map in its current form doesn't even contain full step free information. There are many stations (Stockwell, Finsbury Park to name a few) where access to the platforms is not step free, but the interchange between the lines is.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 7, 2011 8:21:05 GMT
It would be far better for TfL to just print a special "access impaired" (or whatever the politically correct term is) version of the map, and keep the blobs off the main map. Like this, perhaps?
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Post by ruislip on Mar 10, 2011 18:30:13 GMT
- removal of the notes about Rayners Lane to Uxbridge, (daggers removed). ;D applause ;D
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Post by rincew1nd on Mar 10, 2011 21:26:36 GMT
There definitely does seem to have been a significant de-daggerification.
Anyone fancy a poll on what the new symbol will be?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2011 21:28:52 GMT
Anyone fancy a poll on what the new symbol will be? Wouldn't small LU roundels be nice? or how about leaving it as it is, getting rid of those step-free symbols too? Though that would seem too obvious and simple to the mighty people in the design department ( - if that's what it's called!).
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Post by edwin on Mar 11, 2011 4:08:31 GMT
IMO the disabled signs shouldn't be there at all. Just make the disabled-specific tube maps more available in stations, etc. and leave them off of the "main" map.
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Post by malcolmffc on Mar 11, 2011 7:29:07 GMT
Unfortunately the wheelchair blobs are a legal requirement.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 11, 2011 8:19:21 GMT
Unfortunately the wheelchair blobs are a legal requirement. I'd be surprised at that, as they don't show enough detail to be actually useful. And even if showing the subset of disabled access that they do (where there is stepfree access from all platforms to the street, regardless of whether you can interchange, or if only some platforms have the access) then surely it could be shown with a wheelchair symbol sized and positioned like the NR arrows are. The accessibility of the accessible tube maps does need to be improved - a friend's mother was completely unaware that the large print map existed. Similarly there was a wheelchair-bound passenger I saw at Dalston Junction shortly after that station opened who was discussing with a friend whether it would be possible for him to interchange with mainline services at West Croydon, both of them were unaware of the detailed access map.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2011 18:44:23 GMT
Then a small wheelchair symbol at the end of the station name is all that's needed.
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Post by 21146 on Mar 12, 2011 19:00:54 GMT
A review submitted to Underground News:
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Post by 21146 on Mar 12, 2011 19:08:17 GMT
Then a small wheelchair symbol at the end of the station name is all that's needed. These already appear on the reverse of the pocket diagram in the index so there's no need to disfigure the front of the map as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2011 20:44:19 GMT
I agree that the blue wheelchair circles should be taken off of the Standard Map. The only places with the original end of line station markers (Not sure of the official name) left are, Watford, Mill Hill East and Cockfosters
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Post by Bighat on Mar 12, 2011 21:15:17 GMT
I agree that the blue wheelchair circles should be taken off of the Standard Map. The only places with the original end of line station markers (Not sure of the official name) left are, Watford, Mill Hill East and Cockfosters And I agree also. The amount of 'clutter' they cause is totally disproportionate to the number of wheelchair-bound travellers likely to need such information, and as already has been said, can be obtained from the reverse side of the brochure anyway! Rant Over!
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Post by ianvisits on Mar 13, 2011 11:40:35 GMT
Unfortunately the wheelchair blobs are a legal requirement. Which particular law governs the placement of accessibility information on maps? I am working on maps for other projects, and cannot find anything to support that claim. Thanks
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Post by Ben on Mar 14, 2011 5:35:28 GMT
I can't see how there would be otherwise blobs would appear on all forms of public transport in the country, which they don't.
I recon they still exist because TfL doesn't want to loose face over insisting on such a contradictory, illogical and misleading idea in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2011 7:16:21 GMT
I'm bored of it already. Let's have the next update.
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Post by Deep Level on Mar 16, 2011 22:44:36 GMT
Why aren't Dalston Kingsland and Dalston Junction shown as an Interchange any more? The distance between the two are the same as Bow Road & Bow Church and Tower Hill & Tower Gateway.
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