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Post by glom on Sept 1, 2011 13:42:35 GMT
Any realignment to the Central Line platforms at Bank would mean shutting down Liverpool Street to Holborn, one of the busiest sections of the Tube, for a very, very long time. Somehow I don't think local businesses aka The City would think the changes were worth the disruption. Not necessarily a very, very long time. Shouldn't it be possible to do most of the boring while leaving the existing tunnel alone? Besides, the situation may become easier once Crossrail arrives. An alternative is not to change the tunnel, but move the platforms off the tightest part of the curve. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 1, 2011 18:46:22 GMT
Not necessarily a very, very long time. Shouldn't it be possible to do most of the boring while leaving the existing tunnel alone? Besides, the situation may become easier once Crossrail arrives. An alternative is not to change the tunnel, but move the platforms off the tightest part of the curve. Crossrail will make very little difference, commuters that travel to the stations that feed the City; Bank, St. Paul’s and Chancery Lane, will still pack onto the Central Line making any work on it highly disruptive. I don’t see how it would be possible to do any work on the platforms without shutting down the line, the platforms would still have to align with the escalators and the passage ways connecting the Central with the other lines and the ticket hall. Ditto with moving the platforms to a less curved section, not that I can think of one within a reasoable distance, you have bends both east and west of the platforms. |
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Sept 3, 2011 9:21:14 GMT
Any realignment to the Central Line platforms at Bank would mean shutting down Liverpool Street to Holborn, one of the busiest sections of the Tube, for a very, very long time. Somehow I don't think local businesses aka The City would think the changes were worth the disruption. Plus, it would probably require the platforms to also be wheelchair accessible due to a law (which also prohibits curved platforms to be built) |
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Post by Ben on Sept 3, 2011 10:57:22 GMT
No-ones ever quoted this law or refferenced it, yet we've all assumed its there and thats what it says. I wonder what the actual rule stipulates, and how different it is from LULs interpretation of Whitehalls interpretation of what Brussels hoped for.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 4, 2011 8:20:53 GMT
No-ones ever quoted this law or refferenced it, yet we've all assumed its there and thats what it says. I wonder what the actual rule stipulates, and how different it is from LULs interpretation of Whitehalls interpretation of what Brussels hoped for. I believe that the current legislation covering disabled access to railways is the Equality Act 2010, I’m sure if you wanted to spend a few hours trawling through it you could find the relevant section. LUL’s interpretation would be exactly the same as Whitehall’s as for anything this big they would need funding from the Treasury, |
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Post by andypurk on Sept 4, 2011 13:59:20 GMT
No-ones ever quoted this law or refferenced it, yet we've all assumed its there and thats what it says. I wonder what the actual rule stipulates, and how different it is from LULs interpretation of Whitehalls interpretation of what Brussels hoped for. I believe that the current legislation covering disabled access to railways is the Equality Act 2010, I’m sure if you wanted to spend a few hours trawling through it you could find the relevant section. LUL’s interpretation would be exactly the same as Whitehall’s as for anything this big they would need funding from the Treasury, The law (when I checked recently), provides for the relevant minister to allow for exemptions to the provisions. Of course, it is upto LU (or whoever) to apply for an exemption from the DfT. |
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Post by rationalplan on Oct 1, 2011 19:33:37 GMT
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Post by SE13 on Oct 2, 2011 7:12:05 GMT
The above link is to a secure site, and as such, the link won't be clickable. Copy and paste into a new tab/window/whatever Mac has and the page will work fine.
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Post by stephenc on Nov 9, 2011 8:51:49 GMT
There is an exhibition this week: "The public are invited to the first project exhibition at 10 King William Street, London EC4N 7TW, from Tuesday to Friday, 8 – 11 November, between 8:00 am – 6:00 pm. Members of the project team will be available to answer any questions and your comments on the proposal are welcome." consultations.tfl.gov.uk/tube/bank |
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Post by jango on Nov 9, 2011 10:58:09 GMT
I went this morning.
The work they are doing is encouraging. If you want to know the detail, you'll probably have to go to the exhibition as they have a full model there, and people to explain the model too.
In short, they are going to tunnel a new southbound Northern Line platform, which will be to the west of the existing one (confusingly, the platforms at Bank are the "wrong" way round, breaking the driving-on-the-left convention). In between the existing northbound platform and the new platform will be a new interchange and circulation tunnel. The existing southbound platform will be a circulation area for the current northbound platform (so, in effect, the circulation area for the Northern line will be tripled).
In addition, there will be 4 new express lifts to the DLR and the surface, where there will be a new entrance. It is unclear whether there will also be new escalators between the Northern and the DLR, but it did look like this was intended. Finally, there will be a a new connection to the Central line from the interchange tunnel.
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Post by Chris M on Nov 10, 2011 0:08:14 GMT
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Post by edwin on Nov 10, 2011 2:55:53 GMT
It looks like there will be two tunnels in between the running tunnels? The current southbound tunnel and a new passageway... So not really that similar to London Bridge which has one tunnel between the running tunnels.
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Post by jango on Nov 10, 2011 8:25:34 GMT
Yes, I think the two Northern line tunnels at Bank will be further apart than they are at London Bridge.
The current adjacent platform tunnels will effectively be joined to make one platform tunnel, and then there will be an additional passageway tunnel to the west
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Post by ianvisits on Nov 10, 2011 9:11:47 GMT
It looks like there will be two tunnels in between the running tunnels? The current southbound tunnel and a new passageway... So not really that similar to London Bridge which has one tunnel between the running tunnels. It'll also be a different colour scheme, so it's really different. The point is that the "principle" is the same - dig a new tunnel, and convert old running tunnel into some form of passenger space. |
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Post by fleetline on Nov 18, 2011 0:21:10 GMT
Were any plans drawn up for this when Thameslink was at the design stage? In terms of 'straightening' the Central, would this bring any significant operational benefits?  No, the link at City was for the Jubilee Line as there was still a possibility when City was built that the Jubilee would be extended through the station footprint. There even areas of the station know as LUL corridor today tho it's now filled with equipment as part of the Thameslink upgrade. |
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