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Post by Guest on Sept 24, 2011 22:09:13 GMT
Surely, if TFL were payed to, they could put the DLR in a tunnel, say Poplar - Crossharbour, and then sell the land they use at Canary Wharf for a new tower. Also, it would be easier to create a better interchange with the Jubilee. Just an idea, probably thoroughly RIPAS.
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Post by ianvisits on Sept 25, 2011 8:35:44 GMT
Surely, if TFL were payed to, they could put the DLR in a tunnel, say Poplar - Crossharbour, and then sell the land they use at Canary Wharf for a new tower. Not really - you would have to also completely rebuild the link from as far away as Limehouse as well - but the main reason would be that you simply can't put a tower where the Canary Wharf station is. The foundations would screw around with the existing structures and I doubt the neighbours would be too keen to see their views (and the value of the office rents) affected. The DLR does very well as a "light railway" as a replacement for local bus services - people need to stop looking at it as if it is a low-cost mainline service. It never was, never will be. |
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Post by mikebuzz on Sept 25, 2011 14:13:12 GMT
I'm sure the next review after Horizons 1-2 years ago mentioned about the Wood Wharf link, the same time as the branch from Bow Church to Hackney Wick was mooted. The plan IIRC was a simple chord along the old PLAs Island route between All Saints and Marsh Wall - due south. nothing spectacular, just an above ground DLR connection. I think it mentioned a safeguarded alignment. Tunnel and deviating further wet for canary Wharf would be more useful now, but probably impossible due to foundations. It is also unnecessary given the expansion eastwards of Canary Wharf right through the alignment of the old PLA line. I'm sure the DLR will make sure the chord can be built as part of the plans to extend Canary Wharf.
So it's a question of watch this space.
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Post by docklands on Sept 25, 2011 15:13:09 GMT
The Horizons 2020 study identified a Wood Wharf link as a potential extension. The significant problem that needed to be overcome though was how to get the extension over Aspen Way and the eastbound Beckton/Woolwich line. A viaduct would need an incline that was too steep and other options would be very expensive.
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Post by jango on Sept 26, 2011 5:53:03 GMT
it's about time that they covered Aspen Way anyway
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Post by mikebuzz on Sept 26, 2011 20:40:41 GMT
The Horizons 2020 study identified a Wood Wharf link as a potential extension. The significant problem that needed to be overcome though was how to get the extension over Aspen Way and the eastbound Beckton/Woolwich line. A viaduct would need an incline that was too steep and other options would be very expensive. Would it not go under Aspen Way and rise to go over West India Dock? |
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Post by abe on Sept 29, 2011 10:58:48 GMT
Surely, if TFL were payed to, they could put the DLR in a tunnel, say Poplar - Crossharbour, and then sell the land they use at Canary Wharf for a new tower. Also, it would be easier to create a better interchange with the Jubilee. Just an idea, probably thoroughly RIPAS. I can't see this working. You can't dive down west of Poplar because of the Limehouse Link portal. Just south of Canary Wharf the tunnels would need to pass beneath the very deep Jubilee line station box, and just to the north there is now the box for Crossrail. In practical terms you'd never make this work with the alignment and gradients required - not without starting the tunnel section a lot further north. And the depth of the station would make it unattractive for passengers. |
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Post by edwin on Oct 1, 2011 1:56:38 GMT
^^Don't forget the deep foundations of all the skyscrapers in that area!
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Post by anthonyfendall on Oct 2, 2011 14:27:30 GMT
Why can't they invest in office districts in places out in east london, or west london, or inner south london (such as peckham). If they spent the money there, not only would you get the benefit of reducing social deprivation, but you'd also stop all those commuters having to come in to an already congested fairly-central london.
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Post by rhubarbrhubarb on Oct 2, 2011 14:34:18 GMT
I'd suggest that the "benefit of reducing social deprivation" is not uppermost in the minds of property developers when deciding what to build, and where. I think that there is still plenty of evidence of "social deprivation" on the Isle of Dogs and in the surrounding areas.
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Post by lemmo on Oct 2, 2011 19:39:44 GMT
Totally agree, and we're exploring this over on <London Reconnections>. It deserves lots more discussion... And I agree with rhubarbrhubarb, it's not just about new lines. Transport policy has to be integrated with development and social policy. But there is little evidence of the 'trickle-down effect' in Docklands and elsewhere... |
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Post by fleetline on Nov 26, 2011 17:09:07 GMT
The irony is that once the first phase of Crossrail opens between Paddington and Abbey Wood, Canary Wharf will see 24tph in the peak. Once Stratford branch opens it will see its service cut in half to 12tph in the peak. I bet the first day the will be a lot of complains about suddenly reducing the service by half after a period of being encouraged to use it.
(Can't remember for the life of me if it's six or 12 months of Canary Wharf getting 24tph).
Also isn't there still some space in the Royal Docks for building with some unrented space (been awhile since I was last there)?
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Post by Uzair Siddiqi on Nov 26, 2011 18:12:49 GMT
The irony is that once the first phase of Crossrail opens between Paddington and Abbey Wood, Canary Wharf will see 24tph in the peak. Once Stratford branch opens it will see its service cut in half to 12tph in the peak. I bet the first day the will be a lot of complains about suddenly reducing the service by half after a period of being encouraged to use it. Wow, that's a drastic cut! A train every 2.5 mins to one every 5 mins. |
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Post by ianvisits on Nov 26, 2011 19:36:06 GMT
The irony is that once the first phase of Crossrail opens between Paddington and Abbey Wood, Canary Wharf will see 24tph in the peak. Once Stratford branch opens it will see its service cut in half to 12tph in the peak. I bet the first day the will be a lot of complains about suddenly reducing the service by half after a period of being encouraged to use it. I am not aware of any plans to offer 24tph along the Abbey Wood line having been formalised at this early stage of the planning. |
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Post by fleetline on Nov 26, 2011 19:59:00 GMT
The irony is that once the first phase of Crossrail opens between Paddington and Abbey Wood, Canary Wharf will see 24tph in the peak. Once Stratford branch opens it will see its service cut in half to 12tph in the peak. I bet the first day the will be a lot of complains about suddenly reducing the service by half after a period of being encouraged to use it. I am not aware of any plans to offer 24tph along the Abbey Wood line having been formalised at this early stage of the planning. Can't remember where I read it but it was in a respected industry mag. Will try and dig it out when I'm home in the week. It talked about the need for Abbey Wood to be designed for reversing 24tph in high peak (with stepping back I guessing). The irony is that once the first phase of Crossrail opens between Paddington and Abbey Wood, Canary Wharf will see 24tph in the peak. Once Stratford branch opens it will see its service cut in half to 12tph in the peak. I bet the first day the will be a lot of complains about suddenly reducing the service by half after a period of being encouraged to use it. Wow, that's a drastic cut! A train every 2.5 mins to one every 5 mins. Try doing that on an London line anywhere else and there would be up roar. |
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