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Post by glom on Feb 10, 2012 10:53:02 GMT
I hate the contactless bank cards. They screw up my Oyster card.
What was the point of introducing chip 'n' pin if the banks were going to introduce a system wholly without any kind of authentication?
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Post by xercesfobe on Feb 10, 2012 11:16:46 GMT
No way am I giving TFL or any other organisation direct access to my bank account via a Contactless Bank Card. When there is an error with a transaction, my bank account could be plundered, I may pick bank charges, spend a fortune on premium rate calls to useless bank call centres and receive automated apology with token compensation (if any) for the error.
The only thing that would change my view would be a freephone number for the resolution of errors with a robust and independent body to adjudicate on these issues within, with compensation paid within a short time period when an issue has been upheld
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Post by Guest on Feb 10, 2012 11:22:27 GMT
As soon as these contactless cards came in I saw the inevitable transition from Oyster to contactless. That's the plan, along with the EVOstuck away-with-the-fairies-fantasy-death-trap tube train. No ticket offices needed, no staff. Savings all around. The end of the Oyster Card will come quicker than we think. Technology moves so fast these days. Contactless, Wave n Pay, flash the reader your phone, and God forbid a microchip in your body somewhere. The latter is the ultimate plan and anyone who falls for having one of those should be interred in a facility for the stupidly insane.
So, how will a train assistant check tickets as that's the plan? 'Can I see your bank statement sir? Or, can you log onto your bank via your phone to show me you've paid for your travel modom?' Why not do what the kids were doing at Hainault yesterday. Not bother with cash, Oyster or any of it. Just crawl/slither under the barrier...................
Still, if such a system of payment is used on the over heads - Southern for example, it'll hopefully mean no more incessant ticket checks. It get so monotonous that it's easier to stick the bloody thing on your forehead with a bit of blu-tak. 'Tickets please, Tickets please' - 'Not again!' So it's not all bad.............
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Post by trt on Feb 10, 2012 11:47:27 GMT
Do I recall correctly that a few years ago they were going to put Oyster chips into watches for staff to use? Or am I going a bit senile?
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Post by Guest on Feb 10, 2012 12:53:49 GMT
there was a 10-15 pounds limit on those cards',so there shouldn't be any plundered accounts although any overcharging is time consuming to resolve.a miniature circuit board drill bit will take care of that functionality once and for all.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 10, 2012 13:50:49 GMT
Do I recall correctly that a few years ago they were going to put Oyster chips into watches for staff to use? Or am I going a bit senile? Hong Kong's "Octopus" card (why is it always sea creatures beginning with "O"?!) have many gifts etc. containing a chip: www.ectone.com.hk/octopus.html watches tinyurl.com/7gpsr4y other products |
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Post by compsci on Feb 10, 2012 16:43:08 GMT
A member of staff showed me an oyster watch once. He briefly mentioned that they were being withdrawn partly because it looked like they weren't using anything when off duty.
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Post by 81stock on Feb 10, 2012 18:37:21 GMT
Anyone have a picture of one of these Oyster watches? I'm intrigued!
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Post by rincew1nd on Feb 10, 2012 20:07:36 GMT
The idea of the microchip in the body occured to me a couple of decades ago when the technologies that most are familiar with today first became a practical reality rather than trials. I recall reading online of a person who managed to extract the chip and antenna from their card and successfully travelled with it. They went on to put the chip etc in the end of a magic wand, dressed in full Wizzard finery they walked up to a ticket gate, withdrew their wand, and utttering mystic words dramatically struck the Oyster reader with it and the gate flew open. They were subsequently fined for destroying their card, prohibited somewhere in the T&Cs. |
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Post by trt on Feb 11, 2012 9:30:50 GMT
A real wizard would just portkey there. Having said that, there's a news story out about Warner Studios advising people to use public transport to their new Harry Potter attraction. www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/9524744.Warner_Bros_advise_visitors_against_travelling_by_car/They've denied rumours that they requested a new station, presumably on the WCML which passes underneath the airfield where the studio is based. Opportunity missed for a Hogwarts station or a service from King's Cross Platform 9 3/4, presumably run via Chalk Farm. There is a splendid high viaduct on the way, though. A suitable steel framework holding up a blue Ford Anglia... they'd be onto a winner. |
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Post by djlynch on Feb 18, 2012 1:31:11 GMT
Also how will those pax with basic bank accounts be able to travel if the expensive paper tickets are the only option? I'd put a fiver on Barclay's or the like getting a concession to sell pre-paid contactless debit cards from TfL ticket offices/machines. |
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Post by xercesfobe on Mar 29, 2012 20:13:01 GMT
No way am I giving TFL or any other organisation direct access to my bank account via a Contactless Bank Card. When there is an error with a transaction, my bank account could be plundered, I may pick bank charges, spend a fortune on premium rate calls to useless bank call centres and receive automated apology with token compensation (if any) for the error. The only thing that would change my view would be a freephone number for the resolution of errors with a robust and independent body to adjudicate on these issues within, with compensation paid within a short time period when an issue has been upheld XF Anyone see Watchdog tonight - the ability to harvest details from contactless cards via an Android phone? Barclays in the frame still saying there is not a problem but asking me over 2 years ago not to talk about my security concerns on a phone call. Trust no one, assume nothing and test everything - this is the reality of life in the 21st Century. XF |
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Post by castlebar on Mar 29, 2012 20:26:35 GMT
No xf, it is not what is in store but just a taster for what is to come.
Your mobile phone (and everyone else's) can be de-activated in a specific street or postcode area. You can be driving without using your mobile phone, but as long as the phone is in the car, your route can be traced. A speed camera can tell whether your car reg is taxed and insured even if you are not speeding when you pass it. These things will ALL be normal in just 2 years time.
Oystercards are like 1984 just a few years late. All this phone technology in the pipes AIDS all this > they can tell WHO you phoned between Castlebar & Drayton Green AND when you are under Green Park, next stop Victoria. ESPECIALLY when you are under Green Park, next stop Victoria.
You have no idea. (Ceilingcat will confirm this)
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Post by rincew1nd on Mar 29, 2012 20:37:22 GMT
Oystercards are like 1984 just a few years late. All this phone technology in the pipes AIDS all this > they can tell WHO you phoned between Castlebar & Drayton Green AND when you are under Green Park, next stop Victoria. ESPECIALLY when you are under Green Park, next stop Victoria. You have no idea. (Ceilingcat will confirm this) I drank English red wine for the first time tonight, never again! |
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Post by xercesfobe on Mar 29, 2012 20:46:07 GMT
We will all be chipped soon- as we slow morph to become biological androids - yes the same name as the phone.
Be afraid - be very afraid - VAT on pasties etc are great smokescreen for the real sinister stuff that is going on in the UK
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