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Post by 1956 on Feb 8, 2012 14:11:44 GMT
Anyone know how far the thinking has progressed on the following possibilities:
1. Extend the LO ELL from Crystal Palace to join Clapham Junction, via Gipsy Hill, West Norwood, Streatham Hill, Balham, Wandsworth Common
2. LO trains eventually going into Victoria via Battersea Park once Southeastern franchise expires or, if renewed, DfT and TfL manage to reach an agreement re compensation for loss of revenue.
Are these still on the LO "wish list"?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 8, 2012 20:47:25 GMT
I didn't know either of those was on the cards, but I'm not sure i see the point of them - is there a huge demand for travelling from e.g Brocley to CJ?
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Post by cityboy on Feb 9, 2012 7:40:55 GMT
I wasn't sure either of these were on the cards though I know the government have promised to look at the possibility of turning some suburban routes into a LO franchises (as the current franchises expire).
Having lived in south London all my life, I can categorically say there is huge demand for improved east west routes and more regular north south routes. The bus routes are already packed and South London's streets simply do not have enough room for additional cars...
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 9, 2012 23:23:16 GMT
I wasn't sure either of these were on the cards though I know the government have promised to look at the possibility of turning some suburban routes into a LO franchises (as the current franchises expire). was published a few months ago See Figure 2.1 - this suggests TfL adoption of: Crossrail, Abellio's Chingford/Enfield/Hertford services FCC's Welwyn and Hertford loop services Thameslink services not going north of Luton or south of Croydon SWT services except the Reading line and those going beyond Woking Southern services going except those going beyond Dorking, those going straight on at Purley, and the Oxted line South Eastern services as far as Dartford and Sevenoaks. Curious omissions (probably oversights) include the Greenford and Romford/Upminster branches |
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Post by Tubetrain29 on Feb 10, 2012 6:19:27 GMT
I've read the report (thanks for the link), and noticed that in most cases TfL would share a line with other TOCs. Surely it would be better to have either all or none of the suburban services on one line by TfL, not some. Because it would be easier (timetables, marketting, service frequency) to have just one operator for th line.
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Post by cityboy on Feb 10, 2012 7:37:04 GMT
Thanks norbitonflyer, I'll take a read over the weekend.
video, lines are often already shared by multiple TOCs. For example LO's ELL (ex) shares it's tracks and route with FCC & Southern.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 10, 2012 9:04:28 GMT
....... noticed that in most cases TfL would share a line with other TOCs. . In general, where they share a line of route, they would not actually share the same tracks, as most of the routes are 4-tracked at least. As with the existing routes to Upminster, Harrow on the Hill, and Watford Junction, TfL services would generally use the slow lines (dc lines on the WCML) and the other TOC the fast. This is why, for example, the Cobham line to Guildford is included. The main exceptions would be where there is both a local and long distance service on a double track line: Lea Valley line (Stansted/Cambridge services) Thameslink central section (Bedford-Brighton fast services) Waterloo-Virginia Water (Reading services) Balham-Sutton-Dorking (Horsham services) Charlton-Dartford (Gravesend and Gillingham services) Victoria - Shortlands - Ockham (via Catford and via Kent House) - Chatham main line and Maidstone services |
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Post by DrOne on Feb 13, 2012 8:42:22 GMT
Moorgate to Hertford/Welwyn would be a good one to take over. It would be a good opportunity to promote and extend the hours of the Finsbury Pk-Moorgate bit.
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Post by bicbasher on Feb 13, 2012 22:39:30 GMT
I didn't know either of those was on the cards, but I'm not sure i see the point of them - is there a huge demand for travelling from e.g Brocley to CJ? There's already a 2tph service from Brockley to CJ provided by Southern which is well used. video, lines are often already shared by multiple TOCs. For example LO's ELL (ex) shares it's tracks and route with FCC & Southern. FCC and LO don't share the same lines between NXG and Norwood Junction. LO share with Southern on the slow line. FCC are on the fast with Southern's mainline services. |
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Post by maritimesandwich on Feb 14, 2012 12:44:21 GMT
There's already a 2tph service from Brockley to CJ provided by Southern which is well used. Indeed, I use it to avoid Zone 1 when commuting from New Cross Gate to Kingston. Although the majority of usage seems to be between Crystal Palace and CJ. |
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Post by bicbasher on Feb 15, 2012 0:54:20 GMT
There's already a 2tph service from Brockley to CJ provided by Southern which is well used. Indeed, I use it to avoid Zone 1 when commuting from New Cross Gate to Kingston. Although the majority of usage seems to be between Crystal Palace and CJ. You'd be surprised, the morning peak has a steady flow of pax at Forest Hill who use it to commute to Victoria as an alternative to the very slow 185 bus. I commuted from Balham to Forest Hill on that line with a 4 car 377 and that was busy all the way. |
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Post by fleetline on Mar 26, 2012 16:31:34 GMT
Anyone know how far the thinking has progressed on the following possibilities: 1. Extend the LO ELL from Crystal Palace to join Clapham Junction, via Gipsy Hill, West Norwood, Streatham Hill, Balham, Wandsworth Common 2. LO trains eventually going into Victoria via Battersea Park once Southeastern franchise expires or, if renewed, DfT and TfL manage to reach an agreement re compensation for loss of revenue. Are these still on the LO "wish list"? 1) It's number one prior after ELLX Phase 2 is completed this year. Although its unlikely to happen any time soon. Especially in the light of Southern running all services via Balham as 10 car in the peak from December 2011. 4 car LO service won't be so welcome in peak. 2) Off the cards until 2020 at the earliest. More likely TfL takes over SET's Metro franchise area. As for before then, the multi million pounds a year it will cost will see it sunk before it gets off the drawing board. Currently it's more likely that TfL will invest money into new franchises to provide better facilities at stations and earlier/later trains. This is already happen with the Southern Metro area. Who cares who runs the trains if a franchise and the TfL can work together for the benefit of London. |
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Post by xercesfobe on Mar 26, 2012 17:13:49 GMT
Croxley ? ;D
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Post by slugabed on Mar 26, 2012 18:18:54 GMT
2.LO trains eventually going into Victoria via Battersea Park once Southeastern franchise expires or, if renewed, DfT and TfL manage to reach an agreement re compensation for loss of revenue. As I understand it,the formation making this possible will be blocked by the extensions planned for the Brighton Line platforms at Battersea Park,and will be abandoned. Has there been a change of plan? |
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Post by revupminster on Apr 6, 2012 19:46:25 GMT
The cheapest extention involving a couple of new trains would be Barking to Grays. They were also supposed to add a third carriage.
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