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Post by Fahad on Jun 10, 2012 21:52:10 GMT
If there is any move worth hiding on a train during detrainment for, it's that one :p
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 10, 2012 22:03:04 GMT
If there is any move worth hiding on a train during detrainment for, it's that one :p |
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Post by melikepie on Jun 10, 2012 22:16:00 GMT
I'm not saying that the 'escalators' weren't a reason given by someone or other - I seem to recall something similar too but can't pinpoint where. However, the 'Extension' went via Westminster because of the politicians. If the line had continued beyond Charing Cross to Fenchurch Street and wherever as originally planned, the (Jubilee) escalators at Charing Cross wouldn't have been in question and would be trundling up and down like the rest of them today. I'm just going to speak in support of the current route as place like Rotherhithe and Bermondsey wouldn't have a tube line otherwise. Hmmm, I keep hearing about the Fleet Line extending to many places but what was the exact route? |
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Post by North End on Jun 10, 2012 22:19:07 GMT
If there is any move worth hiding on a train during detrainment for, it's that one :p Please can I ask people *not* to do this. If you attempt to hide, and the member of staff carrying out the detrainment does not see you, then this results in an overcarry. Apart from the fact that this is reportable to the HMRI (now ORR), the member of staff will get in trouble, and the incident will be recorded on their record, which in turn could contribute to potentially losing their job if the member of staff has a poor record. |
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Post by North End on Jun 10, 2012 22:23:54 GMT
Interesting what you suggest about the MYA type escalators at Charing Cross. All the other ones installed around the same period 1977-79 (including Baker Street and Bond Street) are still operational and are certainly not life expired, even 12+ years after the opening of the extension (unless they were deliberately not maintained to the same standard as the others, knowing they had a short life ahead of them). Moreover, those at Charing Cross were only 20 years old when they were redundant in 1999. I might suggest they could have been due for heavy maintenance of some sort in 1999 if they had been kept. Even the LHD-M escalators at Charing Cross (1960s - Trafalgar Square side) have only just been replaced in 2012. Just a thought ..... That was the reason given by Rob Curling on the Jubilee line Driver's Eye View DVD and I'm pretty sure I've heard that from other sources too. It did go on to say that some of the parts from these escalators were salvaged to be used in other escalators; perhaps this is why they're still going strong? I don't know the correct answer, however I would suspect that what was really meant is that the escalators were *due a major refurbishment*, which wasn't deemed cost-effective given the future prospects for the station. I doubt they were really life-expired, if memory serves Marylebone and Swiss Cottage still retain their MH / MY type escalators which are considerably older than 20 years! |
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Post by reganorak on Jun 10, 2012 22:34:45 GMT
Indeed is the case. Marylebone (1943), Swiss Cottage (1939), Earl's Court Exhibition (1937) and Greenford (1947).
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Post by messiah on Jun 10, 2012 22:57:13 GMT
My thoughts are that the accountants that run railways these days grabbed the first opportunity they could to close a section of line that would not be noticed by too many people to save a few grubby quid. Sad really because the branch wasn't even given the chance to see if it could be viable. I presume that you haven't ever seen how busy the Jubilee line is in the rush hour peak. If the Charing Cross branch had been left open when the extension was made, there would have been a lot of pressure to make it off-peak only, considering the passenger loads through to Canary Wharf from Waterloo and London Bridge during the rush hour. Incidentally I remember hearing that the original plan was not to have stations at Bermondsey and Southwark, and that Simon Hughes was particularly proud that he campaigned successfully for these stations. |
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Post by routemaster on Jun 10, 2012 23:23:27 GMT
I'm not saying that the 'escalators' weren't a reason given by someone or other - I seem to recall something similar too but can't pinpoint where. However, the 'Extension' went via Westminster because of the politicians. If the line had continued beyond Charing Cross to Fenchurch Street and wherever as originally planned, the (Jubilee) escalators at Charing Cross wouldn't have been in question and would be trundling up and down like the rest of them today. I'm just going to speak in support of the current route as place like Rotherhithe and Bermondsey wouldn't have a tube line otherwise. Hmmm, I keep hearing about the Fleet Line extending to many places but what was the exact route? It was going to go to Aldwych, Ludgate Circus, Canon Street, Fenchurch Street, St. Katharine Docks, Wapping, Surrey Docks, Millwall, North Greenwich, Custom House, then split to Beckton and Sivertown, Thamesmead West, Thamesmead Central. As well as the tunnels built east of Charing Cross, there was a short section of tunnel dug near New Cross. |
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Post by puddytat on Jun 10, 2012 23:34:49 GMT
I think the Thamesmead route was the Fleet Line Mk 2 - the earlier plans were before Thamesmead happened, and plan was to extend south of New Cross to take over possibly the Addiscombe / Hayes branches (I can't find a proper source for this, but I think the plans were somewhat vague) There is a feature on ianvisits' blog about the New Cross tunnel - www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2011/04/03/south-londons-abandoned-tube-tunnel/ |
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Post by rapidtransitman on Jun 10, 2012 23:58:03 GMT
@hmmm, I keep hearing about the Fleet Line extending to many places but what was the exact route?
See the New Fleet Line thread on this board. There are other references to it's possible route thru the City and beyond, based on various studies done in the 70s, as well as ideas posited by posters on this board.
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Post by crusty54 on Jun 11, 2012 5:24:11 GMT
The Fleet Line was going to terminate at Lewisham. The land was purchased and later used for the DLR and the bus station.
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Post by Guest on Jun 11, 2012 8:41:52 GMT
I agree with North End here nobody should try to stay on a train out of service or to siding moves. Although some people might find it temping it could land the driver and passenger in serious trouble. I have heard people commenting on Youtube saying they went on the Kennington loop but ended up staying there for a while! Of course the driver is not going to know this. Fair enough a confused tourist or somebody who fell asleep but not people who deliberately want to do this.
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Post by etr220 on Jun 11, 2012 9:52:25 GMT
The plan for the Fleet Line (in the 1970s) was Stage 1 Stanmore-Baker St-Charing Cross (built and renamed Jubilee); then Stage 2 on via Aldwych & Ludgate Circus to Fenchurch St; Stage 3 via Surrey Docks to Lewisham (with branch to New Cross Gate); and Stage 4 taking over the BR Mid-Kent line to Hayes and Addiscombe. With the start of the Docklands redevelopment there were various 'River Line' proposals to serve it: one of these was a tube line from Fenchurch St more or less due east to Silvertown, turn south to serve Woolwich then into Thamesmead. I don't know whether (or how) this would have combined with or replaced Fleet Line Stages 3 & 4.
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Post by mrfs42 on Jun 11, 2012 9:56:17 GMT
The plan for the Fleet Line (in the 1970s) was Stage 1 Stanmore-Baker St-Charing Cross (built and renamed Jubilee); then Stage 2 on via Aldwych & Ludgate Circus to Fenchurch St; Stage 3 via Surrey Docks to Lewisham (with branch to New Cross Gate) Plans for these stages were sufficiently far advanced to have Programme Machine working considered - 7 PMs at Surrey Docks! |
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Post by mrfs42 on Jun 11, 2012 12:13:02 GMT
@hmmm, I keep hearing about the Fleet Line extending to many places but what was the exact route? Somewhere I've got a full set of deposited plans (or something of that ilk) for the Fleet. Blowed if I can find them. EDIT: I have found this - if it's of any use:  |
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