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Post by tobywalsh on Jun 14, 2012 14:35:54 GMT
Hello! My first post to the site might I add! Hello!
Anyhow - I start with a question about Hammersmith Station Eastbound.
Yesterday my friend sent me a picture of two 73's - one on Platform Two but another on Platform One. So I figured, yes, there must have been problems up the line so they'll just put the 73 from platform one onto the correct "course?" when it departs Hammersmith.
But this is where it gets weird. My friend is adamant that that the CSA on the platform announced that the Piccadilly line train on platform one will be terminating at West Kensington.
Could this be possible?
Toby
p.s - when I figure out how - i'll attach the image!
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Post by tobywalsh on Jun 14, 2012 14:36:58 GMT
* I meant platform 3 and platform 4 - my mistake  * |
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Post by upinthesky on Jun 14, 2012 15:18:30 GMT
Very possible but very, very rare. Picc trains can be sent to reverse at West Kensington, but as drivers are not trained for the move they would need a pilot (someone trained in the area) to travel with them.
The reason I say rare is because in 6 years of being a driver on the Piccadilly I've only heard of it happening once, although I believe in the past it was a booked move.
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Post by castlebar on Jun 14, 2012 15:23:16 GMT
I'm sure around 1970 it was a daily move in the timetables, early a.m., and all the stock had "WEST KENSINGTON" on the blinds. On another thread on these boards a few months ago, there were several postings about it.
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Post by grahamhewett on Jun 14, 2012 19:01:27 GMT
castlebar - the April 1986 WTT still showed two Picc trains reversing there. One (317D) started ecs from Northfields at 0449 and reversed at WK (0506/0511) continuing in service to Heathrow. The other (323D) had started as a staffer at Uxbridge at 04.46 to Acton, continued as ecs to West Ken (a 05.28 1/2) and then departed 05.33 all stations to Acton Town and Heathrow. These seemed to be the only two WK reversers that were scheduled by then. GH
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Post by castlebar on Jun 14, 2012 19:09:28 GMT
Ah, but if they were ecs, they wouldn't have shewn W Ken on the blinds.
W Ken was definitely on the blinds around 1968/70 so must have been service journeys unless as an emergency reverser. I'm sure they were very early journeys before Heathrow extension
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Post by rsdworker on Jun 14, 2012 20:52:49 GMT
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Post by Guest on Jun 14, 2012 21:09:15 GMT
It's Wikipedia.
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Post by causton on Jun 15, 2012 0:26:54 GMT
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Post by crusty54 on Jun 15, 2012 5:13:16 GMT
dates back to when Lillie Bridge was the Piccadilly Line depot.
A couple of trains did reverse in the early morning until the 1980s.
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Post by v52gc on Jun 15, 2012 8:09:24 GMT
The DVA on the 73s can announce West Ken as destination/station but not display it or use it as part of a route.
Pic drivers are still shown the route without actually doing it and should refresh their knowledge it but I'm sure 90% of drivers doing the move might want a pilot.
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Post by roythebus on Jun 15, 2012 8:17:39 GMT
ISTR there were a couple of late trains that reversed at WK as well in the 70s and 80s as well as the early/staff trains. As Crusty says it dates back to the GNPBR depot was Lillie Bridge!
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Post by tobywalsh on Jun 17, 2012 16:37:13 GMT
Wow! Thank you very much for your responses. Given the rarity of it then I'm assuming it was a mistake by the CSA.
That said, I do recall seeing a 73' at Earls Court once... on a district Line platform! This was in '04 or '05 I think.
Now going slightly off topic, if the train gets "lost" if it were and ends up in a place not even the driver as been trained on or even seen for the matter, would he/she still be allowed to drive the train if a Pilot is present? Or would the pilot need to take over completely?
Toby
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Post by v52gc on Jun 17, 2012 19:52:46 GMT
The driver of the train is the driver.
They are responsible for it and would continue to drive if the train got 'lost' :-)
A pilot would be required to advise the driver on signals, gradients, things like that.
Tbh I think drivers should roughly know what to do if they would get lost, albeit with a pilot, as in where to reverse at least.
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Post by Ben on Jun 18, 2012 10:02:14 GMT
Wasn't it around 1990/1 they stopped running to West Ken?
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