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Post by fleetline on Jul 26, 2012 10:19:45 GMT
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Post by glom on Jul 28, 2012 13:42:55 GMT
I'd say go with the Metro scheme, with SSL type trains and have the big Crossrail type project go between Waterloo and the City as a way of supplanting the W&C line.
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Post by crusty54 on Jul 28, 2012 16:18:35 GMT
The trains will be running on overhead power supplies so the W&C option is not possible (the route at Bank would take out the moving walkways so not really an option anyway).
Ideally a station at Piccadilly Circus would feature but not possible for heritage/space reasons.
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Post by Alex F. on Jul 28, 2012 16:36:23 GMT
Piccadilly Circus gotta be there - that area badly needs new transport options...
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Post by stephenk on Jul 28, 2012 22:34:45 GMT
Can you provide a link or reference to these new choice of routes? The Alexandra Palace route is rather bizarre, given that a secondary role of Crossrail Line 2 was to relieve pressure from the eastern Central Line. I'd prefer a Japanese style medium profile linear motor metro for the metro option instead of small profile tube or large profile SSL size. Leaving out Piccadilly Circus would be a mistake. Surely there is some "out of the box" solution for this station? |
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Post by glom on Jul 29, 2012 15:09:54 GMT
The trains will be running on overhead power supplies so the W&C option is not possible (the route at Bank would take out the moving walkways so not really an option anyway). Ideally a station at Piccadilly Circus would feature but not possible for heritage/space reasons. No, no. Supplant the line. The route would be brand new. |
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Post by biolizard on Jul 29, 2012 20:42:18 GMT
There simply isn't the space at Bank for a new tube line, let alone a full size one. Getting the DLR down there was an achievement in itself.
Agree with stephenk; TfL's Ally Pally branch seems to be bereft of logic.
I don't see why Crossrail 2 can't address the both the Lower Lea Valley and Central line.
Let the Central keep the Hainault loop, and have one branch of Crossrail 2 work its way to Woodford for interchange, then take over all stations to Epping (6-12tph?)
Have another branch rise on the marshland south of Tottenham and add extra Hertford and Stansted/Stortford services (can't take any away from Liv St as the City commuters will, rightly, moan).
Even at a comparable-to-Crossrail-1 24tph peak you'd probably still have spare capacity after the above two; perhaps send some trains up the Hertford Loop as well; there's some railway land south of Finsbury Park on the Moorgate branch for a portal.
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Post by melikepie on Jul 29, 2012 21:45:58 GMT
That would still involve taking over the Northern City Line. Actually the Hertford Loop is going to be a trial for the equivalent of ATO sometime soon.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jul 30, 2012 5:02:39 GMT
Piccadilly Circus gotta be there - that area badly needs new transport options... I suspect the reason it been missed is that the existing station would not be able to handle the increase in passenger numbers without a TCR style rebuild inc larger ticket hall etc. That would mean demolishing some very, very expensive property at ground level so it's a straight run from Victoria to TCR to Euston (for HS2). |
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Post by fleetline on Jul 30, 2012 18:37:08 GMT
Will point to this, the maps are from official routing not what I believe, I have included a link in this post so you can all read up on the reasons and understand the line is going to deal with multiple transport problem, not a single one or two. It's effects would be felt far beyond London and create relief for thousands of passengers daily, not benefit just London and the Central Line. Can you provide a link or reference to these new choice of routes? The Alexandra Palace route is rather bizarre, given that a secondary role of Crossrail Line 2 was to relieve pressure from the eastern Central Line. I'd prefer a Japanese style medium profile linear motor metro for the metro option instead of small profile tube or large profile SSL size. Leaving out Piccadilly Circus would be a mistake. Surely there is some "out of the box" solution for this station? Yes, thought most of you would actually know so didn't bother. Here's the link to the TfL part showing routes so maybe explaining its 'Bizzare' routing for you www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/Item05-ECPP-Nov-2011-HS2.pdfCrossrail 2 is now not a Central Line relief line but a Victoria Line as well as helping the SWML & GAML. That would still involve taking over the Northern City Line. Actually the Hertford Loop is going to be a trial for the equivalent of ATO sometime soon. The Hertford loop is for testing of the new ATO for the Thameslink core. (which is very useful as its not far from the new northern depot). The Northern City Line is going to have improvements as part of the Thameslink project its better to put the massive investment somewhere sensible that needs the investment. |
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Jul 30, 2012 19:57:51 GMT
I'd prefer the regional scheme with the Alexandra Palace branch being used to turn back South London services (to keep higher intensity in the core), and possibly with a Stansted branch.
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Post by stephenk on Jul 31, 2012 9:55:47 GMT
[quote author=fleetline board=crossrail thread=19975 post=342597 Yes, thought most of you would actually know so didn't bother. Here's the link to the TfL part showing routes so maybe explaining its 'Bizzare' routing for you www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/Item05-ECPP-Nov-2011-HS2.pdfCrossrail 2 is now not a Central Line relief line but a Victoria Line as well as helping the SWML & GAML. [/quote] Thanks for posting the link. The comments on the route maps seem rather biased towards a regional solution as opposed to an automated metro. Looks like the author may have an agenda! No reason why the automated metro cannot be extended to Wimbledon or various upper Lea Valley destinations to make it more useful. |
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Post by Uzair Siddiqi on Jul 31, 2012 11:28:18 GMT
I prefer the Regional.
- Wimbledon - Tooting needs a better service and the current FCC service might as well not exist
- King's Road needs better transport links too
- Victoria - Euston needs congestion relief
- 16 SWT services serve Wimbledon for Dorking, Woking, Guildford via Cobham, Guildford via Epsom, Hampton Court, Chessington South, Shepperton and the loop via Kingston/Richmond. When these are all broken down, I think some branches don't get enough tph. Therefore, additional Crossrail trains would be incredibly useful.
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Post by castlebar on Jul 31, 2012 14:07:16 GMT
Uzair - You are right about the Shepperton branch. It desperately needs direct access to Twickenham, Richmond and Putney. At the moment, 3 x direct trains a day via a chord that is not on many of the current map diagrams, is a FARCE. People do not currently change trains, - they drive!!
I hope some other company will take the franchise from SWT on the promise of it.
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Post by fleetline on Jul 31, 2012 17:16:55 GMT
Thanks for posting the link. The comments on the route maps seem rather biased towards a regional solution as opposed to an automated metro. Looks like the author may have an agenda! No reason why the automated metro cannot be extended to Wimbledon or various upper Lea Valley destinations to make it more useful. Metro is a big no no on the Lee Valley lines as it has to do track sharing. Tottenham Hale is only going to be three track as the cost of four tracking out weighs any benefits. And the level crossings, 17 between Tottenham Hale and Hertford East. Add another 9 by Bishops Storford means Automantic Metro a la Victoria is out. The Regional Scheme makes sense as it spreads the benefits wider for not that much cost overall. |
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