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Post by bicbasher on Aug 6, 2012 17:41:14 GMT
Apparently LO will be operating a parliamentary service from Clapham High Street to Battersea Park from December once Southern's SLL service shuts.
So it looks like while the CHS/Wandsworth Road to Kensington Olympia Southern parliamentary service shuts, another will start.
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Post by dmncf on Aug 6, 2012 19:11:09 GMT
I discussed with a friend who works for Southern the transfer of the South London Line to London Overground. I said that Battersea Park would no longer be served by South London Line trains and that platform extensions would sever the end of the platforms they currently use. But he thought that London Overground South London Line trains would serve Battersea Park and would reverse there in newly-formed bay platforms, although he wasn't sure of the details.
Does anyone have firmer details about how this service will operate, e.g. Surrey Quays - Battersea Park reversal - Clapham Junction, and what platforms it will use at Battersea Park?
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Post by causton on Aug 7, 2012 0:45:36 GMT
As you said, newly formed bay platforms? No platform can serve both the inner SLL and the line to Clapham if I remember correctly, only way to do it would be to call at the SLL platforms, then forward to Victoria's throat, then back and call at the slow line platforms out of Vic... perhaps they could go all the way into Victoria and reverse there?  Either that, or the new bay platforms, or make the station into a triangle shape with third platforms on a new chord between the SLL and the Southern mainline! |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 7, 2012 8:42:20 GMT
As you said, newly formed bay platforms? No platform can serve both the inner SLL and the line to Clapham if I remember correctly, only way to do it would be to call at the SLL platforms, then forward to Victoria's throat, then back and call at the slow line platforms out of Vic... ! By Clapham I assume you mean the Junction, rather than the real Clapham station? (now named Clapham High Street). The SLL platforms are indeed separate from the slow lines on the main Brighton route. However, it has always been possible to reverse a train at BPK - Google Earth shows a trailing crossover on the SLL route just south of the station In the past peak hour SLL services often ran London Bridge to Battersea Park only, to reduce movements at Victoria. I imagine the parliamentary service will simply be an out and back trip between Dalston and Battersea Park. |
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Post by redbond on Aug 7, 2012 12:21:03 GMT
I don't know the platform numbers or how the service will run and frequency, but I do know that we will be reversing in the platform at Battersea Park.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 7, 2012 17:50:45 GMT
I don't know the platform numbers or how the service will run and frequency, but I do know that we will be reversing in the platform at Battersea Park. This explains why the initial set of test train paths during evenings had one running into and out of Battersea Park. I would be amazed if there was anything other than an isolated journey to / from Battersea Park just to do the "parliamentary" thing once full SLL Overground services start. |
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Post by causton on Aug 8, 2012 3:29:01 GMT
As you said, newly formed bay platforms? No platform can serve both the inner SLL and the line to Clapham if I remember correctly, only way to do it would be to call at the SLL platforms, then forward to Victoria's throat, then back and call at the slow line platforms out of Vic... ! By Clapham I assume you mean the Junction, rather than the real Clapham station? (now named Clapham High Street). Oops, yes, sorry, I am much more familar with Clapham Junction so much so that I only remember that the High Street exists because of the old parliamentary! I assumed that as well. I just thought Dalston - Battersea Park - Clapham Junction was being suggested! And also, BPK is a local station to me in Hertfordshire, BAK is the code you're thinking of  |
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Post by hexcontroller on Aug 8, 2012 22:50:45 GMT
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Post by ultros8 on Aug 20, 2012 9:58:04 GMT
Interestingly, Open Train Times seems to now have the December 2012 timetables available - for instance, at Battersea Park: www.opentraintimes.com/location/BAK?day=10&month=12&time=0530&year=2012which shows the daily parliamentary service departing at 06:18 (it returns late in the evening). This is the only service booked to call at platform 2, which looks like it will become a terminating bay, while platform 1 will be completely disused. The Clapham Junction trains look like they'll run to Highbury rather than Dalston, and the ELL service pattern southbound will go Clapham Junction (from H&I) - West Croydon (from Dalston) - Crystal Palace (from H&I) - New Cross (from Dalston), which seems kind of strange since it gives an irregular service south of NXG. Don't know how final those timetables are so we'll see if this looks like changing at all! |
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Post by redbond on Aug 20, 2012 15:21:17 GMT
It's been known for some time that the Claphams will be running through to Highbury (hence why the PIS announces at Highbury and Canonbury "Change here for London Overground services to Richmond and Stratford" with no mention of Clapham). I'm surprised about West Croydons terminating at Dalston though.
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Post by bicbasher on Aug 20, 2012 22:25:40 GMT
I understand that the change of West Croydon's to Dalston were told to stakeholders in the spring when the winter timetable was discussed.
Looking at Forest Hill for Monday 10th December, the frequency of ELL services remains at 5/10 mins.
West Croydon at x10, 25, 40 and 55.
Crystal Palace at x00, 15, 30 and 45.
H&I at x04, 19, 34 and 49.
DJ at x08, 23, 38 and 53.
All those times are off-peak with some tweaks during the peaks.
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Post by lemmo on Aug 22, 2012 8:21:50 GMT
There is a way to lengthen the platforms at Battersea Park without cutting off the SLL. I'd be interested if they looked into the feasibility/cost.
On the west side at Battersea Park the viaduct widens, where a line originally led off down to Battersea Wharf goods. A loop also comes off the Fast lines here, providing five tracks north, joined 200m further north by the two Battersea Pier sidings on the west side. You could therefore extend the viaduct on the west side to take the Brighton Fast lines, which would allow the extended platforms to be moved westwards, which would still allow the SLL to join the Brighton Slows.
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Post by bicbasher on Aug 22, 2012 10:59:27 GMT
I'm guessing that as the SLL was one of the least used of Southern's metro services that it'd negate the cost.
In any case, the SLL wouldn't be able to return in it's current form until 2019 due to the Thameslink Programme works at London Bridge.
I'd like to see some form an enhanced Southeastern service to at least fill the gap from the SLL's two busiest stations, Peckham Rye and Denmark Hill, this may become a reality if TfL gain the metro side of the Southeastern franchise after 2015 as a LO branded service.
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Post by fleetline on Sept 3, 2012 23:28:14 GMT
The main reason for having this run to to keep driver route knowledge incase they can't access Clapham Junction for any reason. Means the SLL can still run rather than suspending the whole thing.
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Post by dennis on Sept 11, 2012 16:42:58 GMT
I was at Denmark Hill this lunchtime and there were plenty of people using a South Eastern service into Victoria that preceded the SLL train by 4 minutes. Perhaps most of these would have used the SLL if the SE train had been delayed.
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