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Post by Acton Town S5 on Aug 7, 2012 17:27:29 GMT
I am hoping someone can clarify I have just seen on flickr a photo of one of these trains the caption stated that after the Picc line they moved on to the Northern was this true I don't recall reading this before.
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Post by metman on Aug 7, 2012 18:11:22 GMT
Sort of. They were developed for the Northern Line but LT did not like streamlining, especially where middle cabs met. It was for this reason the fourth 1935 stock unit was built with flat fronts and the rest is history.
The cab layout was not popular with drivers with a central seated position and much testing was done on the Piccadilly Line. I don't believe the streamlined trains ever made it onto the Northern. If they did it was briefly to test.
The post war was plan was for the flat front cars to be used on the Central Line shuttles (Epping-Ongar/Woodford-Hainault) and for the streamliners to have a trailer inserted and run as 7 car trains on the Picc. The cabs could not be modified to the liking of train crews and the 18 cars were converted to trailers with the cabs rebuilt with a trailing end and did indeed run on the Northern until the early 1970s when scrapping began.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 7, 2012 20:13:51 GMT
According to Brian Hardy's book the flat fronted train was used for gauging tests on the Northern in 1938, prior to arrival of the 1938 stock. The streamliners were converted, after about 10 years in store, to trailers which were indeed used on the northern
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Post by metman on Aug 7, 2012 20:48:37 GMT
That'll be it then, I'm sure I read that they were involved in some testing on the Northern. Probably read it in one of Brian's book.
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Post by Acton Town S5 on Aug 8, 2012 8:18:12 GMT
According to Brian Hardy's book the flat fronted train was used for gauging tests on the Northern in 1938, prior to arrival of the 1938 stock. The streamliners were converted, after about 10 years in store, to trailers which were indeed used on the northern Thanks I think the caption for the photo could be worded better link attached. www.flickr.com/photos/17889585@N03/7732723772/in/set-72157617867893385 |
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Post by Guest on Aug 8, 2012 13:45:28 GMT
The cab layout was not popular with drivers with a central seated position I'm not surprised the seat looked very uncomfortable and the position of controls made it almost impossible to stand. |
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Post by metman on Aug 8, 2012 18:08:38 GMT
You couldn't stand, and this was the issue. The cabs were draughty and I believe the guard had to use the rear cab too!
One cab was rebuilt with a taller elevation but this was not accepted but crews either. Shame a cab was not preserved.
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Post by Guest on Aug 8, 2012 19:45:25 GMT
Shame a cab was not preserved. Indeed, the the cab exterior would look very elegant even by today's standard. |
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Post by routemaster on Aug 9, 2012 8:06:41 GMT
Shame a cab was not preserved. Indeed, the the cab exterior would look very elegant even by today's standard. +1  |
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Post by routemaster on Aug 9, 2012 8:13:22 GMT
You couldn't stand, and this was the issue. The cabs were draughty and I believe the guard had to use the rear cab too! One cab was rebuilt with a taller elevation but this was not accepted but crews either. Shame a cab was not preserved. Funny enough, the front of EVO train has a striking resemblance to that rebuilt 1935 stock cab with taller windows.  |
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Post by Guest on Aug 9, 2012 11:31:54 GMT
You couldn't stand, and this was the issue. The cabs were draughty and I believe the guard had to use the rear cab too! One cab was rebuilt with a taller elevation but this was not accepted but crews either. Shame a cab was not preserved. Funny enough, the front of EVO train has a striking resemblance to that rebuilt 1935 stock cab with taller windows. The front reminds me of the rear gunners position on the B-17 flying fortress. ;D |
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Post by andyjg on Aug 11, 2012 7:57:38 GMT
The 1935 stock has a touch of the 'Darth Vader' Gatwick Express stock --- or vice versa.
Andy
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Post by metman on Aug 11, 2012 8:16:25 GMT
Yes actually it does have a touch of Star Wars! ;D
Streamlining was popular in the 1930s but it wasn't popular with LT! It was shown that streamlining only works at speeds over 80mph so not much use.
If the streamline units were retained on the Piccadilly they would have needed new equipments as the offerings on some of them were hopeless!
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Post by reganorak on Aug 11, 2012 13:29:49 GMT
According to Brian Hardy's book the flat fronted train was used for gauging tests on the Northern in 1938, prior to arrival of the 1938 stock. The streamliners were converted, after about 10 years in store, to trailers which were indeed used on the northern Units 10009+10010 went to the Northern 31/3/38 and returned on 4/7/38, after the first 1938s had arrived. There is no record of them carrying passengers on the Northern, which seems to be the case as only four cars were loaned. Interestingly 10009 (with 10011) entered service 24/1/38 (on the Picc) but 10010 didn't enter service (on the Picc) until 10/3/38. |
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Post by madandy on Aug 11, 2012 13:47:36 GMT
I always found those trains really iconic with a BIG "WOW!" factor.
I don't think they would wasted space would be an issue if the streamlined cabs were confined to the ends of trains but there is one thing I have often read including here that puzzles me..... that the driers did not like them because, amongst other reasons, the drivers seat was in the middle of the cab.
Why would that be an issue.... a question that prompts a further question.... Why are drivers seats on the left of cabs (and if they were on the right I'd be asking why)?
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