Station Codes

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Hey all, found this document online here:

wiki.opentfl.co.uk/TrackerNet_station_codes

which lists station codes for all the lines ... EXCEPT the Bakerloo!

is there an official list of all the station codes somewhere? i looked in the Working Timetable but nothing listed there. e.g. i cannot find anywhere online what the three letter station code is for Lambeth North ...

anyone?

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They are in the official PDF for the API which is at www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/businessandpartners/Trackernet_Data_Services_Guide_Beta_0_2.pdf as far as I can tell...

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lovely, thanks!

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Although (now not Bakerloo, I admit), it hasn't got the codes for Ladbroke Grove, Latimer Road, Royal Oak, Wood Lane etc... that section. They're not listed on the H&C/Circle part of the document. They must have a station code, right?

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Oct 4, 2012 10:38:37 GMT @geofftech said:

Although (now not Bakerloo, I admit), it hasn't got the codes for Ladbroke Grove, Latimer Road, Royal Oak, Wood Lane etc... that section. They're not listed on the H&C/Circle part of the document. They must have a station code, right?

I'm sure they do but IIRC Trackernet is not yet commissioned on this part of the H&C so there is no point in publishing the codes when there is no underlying data.

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Interesting, on the Central Line the Trackernet codes are different from the signal plate codes, example Barkingside is BAR on the signals and BMBs while Marble Arch is MAA. Odd

[Colin]

Oct 4, 2012 11:34:10 GMT aslefshrugged said:

Interesting, on the Central Line the Trackernet codes are different from the signal plate codes, example Barkingside is BAR on the signals and BMBs while Marble Arch is MAA. Odd

The reason for the difference is simple really - the Central line signalling system follows a different convention, which is generally the first three letters of the location. Obviously where there' a two word location it'll take elements of each, but again from the first three letters.

Of course there is an exception to every rule on LU - in the Central's case you have to have LES for Leytonstone cos LEY is Leyton!

The Trackernet convention follows a totally different logic where you could perhaps argue that the three letter codes somehow make more sense. they also seem remarkably similar to the three letter codes used in WTT's and on train crew duty sheets

[21146]

There is no consistency with LU codes.

The UTS system used various codes with a maximum of 5 characters. So EUSTON and OVAL were spelt in full but others had abbreviations.

The Connect Radio 3-letter codes are different to the Trackernet station abbreviations.

The old LU/LT 'Directory' which listed phone numbers of managers etc also contained cstation details and these all had a 3-letter code which was different again. These were normally the first three letters of a single word, first two and first respectively of a 2-word name etc. This convention was not always followed for politically correct reasons - so WOG was not used Wood Green, yet WOP was suitable for Woodside Park! Ditto Farringdon was FAR under this system yet appears as FAG these days on Connect!

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Sooo ... does anyone know where I can get the official station codes for the station between Hammersmith and Paddington then ??! :-D

[Colin]

Reply #4 appears to have already answered your question; at least in so far as the Trackernet list goes.

Thing is though, you say "official station codes" but it depends on what you mean by that.

Trackernet is one thing. Track maintenance codes are another. Then there's the Connect radio lists - they're different again.

There are many different lists that exist for many different uses!!.....

[North End]

Oct 4, 2012 16:52:22 GMT @geofftech said:

Sooo ... does anyone know where I can get the official station codes for the station between Hammersmith and Paddington then ??! :-D

As others have said, there is really no such thing as an official list of station codes.

Even the "cabin codes" used for the newer forms of signalling (Central, Jubilee and Northern Lines) follow different systems between them, not to mention a seemingly strange, and late-in-the-day, change for the Victoria Line's new set of codes all to begin with 'V' (why?!).

The new codes used for TBTC have some strange codes - how on earth did they arrive at KXX for King's Cross?!

[d7666]

Oct 4, 2012 16:08:04 GMT @21146 said:

There is no consistency with LU codes.

Indeed.

For my job function on the Central on engineering I have a set of three different code tables - one for the signals control system itself, one for connect, and one used internally by the timetable control data.

There are further different codes on the traction scada systems, and although these refer to electric sub-stations not stations, some codes are the same, others not (and of course some sub-stations are at locations without a station).

One reason the Connect codes differ is they have a unified system where a single station serving multiple lines has a single code because that is the single radio cell name. Obviously Connect radio came in long after LU codes were already established and where different codes for different lines exist at one station, which is fine if the signalling systems do not inter-connect.

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[d7666]

Oct 4, 2012 11:34:10 GMT aslefshrugged said:

Interesting, on the Central Line the Trackernet codes are different from the signal plate codes, example Barkingside is BAR on the signals and BMBs while Marble Arch is MAA. Odd

Have you not noticed your connect radio codes are also different to signals at some locations ?

I won't post it but as I just said in another thread I have a conversion table of 3 codes - signals, connect, timetable data for my Central engineering role.

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[d7666]

Oct 4, 2012 12:21:35 GMT Colin said:

The reason for the difference is simple really - the Central line signalling system follows a different convention, which is generally the first three letters of the location.

While I agree that is the convention for the Central, you are implying this convention is different to all other lines, but then don't explain what this other convention is.

I do not know of a convention for all the other lines, either individually or globally. If you know of one can you explain it please.

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[Colin]

Oct 4, 2012 20:49:01 GMT d7666 said:

For my job function on the Central on engineering

I suspect our paths have crossed - I did a month of controller training at Wood Lane about this time last year, but pulled out as I didn't like it....

Oct 4, 2012 21:02:27 GMT d7666 said:

While I agree that is the convention for the Central, you are implying this convention is different to all other lines, but then don't explain what this other convention is.

I do not know of a convention for all the other lines, either individually or globally. If you know of one can you explain it please.

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Nick

I was only really talking in terms of the OP and was thus only making a comparison with the Trackernet codes.

That being said though, the Central line's signalling is quite specific to the Central line. No other line has white route locking, ESP's or LCP's, to name a few examples.

I dunno what the Jubilee (& Northern?) or Victoria line's are like in terms of ATO terminology, nor whether they use BMB's or colour light signals.........but us "conventional" lines (Bakerloo, Northern, Piccadilly and the whole SSR) still use old fashioned colour light signals and manually driven trains, as they have done for at least the last 100 years.

"Conventional" signalling doesn't use three letter location codes for the signalling. Signals are simply numbered thus:

• 'A' & Three numbers = Automatic signal (some Northern line automatic signals have an S prefix)
  
• Two letters & One, Two or Three numbers = Semi Automatic signal, controlled by Signaller
  
• Two letters & Three or Four numbers, ending with a zero - this is a "draw up" signal and works automatically but is treated as a semi automatic when using failure procedures
  
• 'X' in a Three letter signal plate - automatic signal but treated as a semi automatic when using failure procedures
  
• Yellow plate with a 'R' is a repeater signal

Disclaimer: there's far more to signalling than what's been said in this thread!!

[d7666]

That being said though, the Central line's signalling is quite specific to the Central line. No other line has white route locking, ESP's or LCP's,

The pre-TBTC JLE signals control system a Neasden did have a functional equivalent to ELCPs called BUSCS - the difference being that on the Central they are actual push button panels at interlocking site stations, but on the JLE they were a bank of CRTs keyboards and mouses in the control room. However the function is (or rather was) identical, if the signals control systems fails in part or all, the back up is manned. BUSCS directly communicate with the Westrace interlockings, could set routes, etc, or be set to auto through running, but can't do things like train numbers, i.e. an equivalent function to Central ELCP does to both relay or Westrace sites.

In addition, both JLE did and Central does have MCT/MCP maintenance control terminal/panel in the appropriate station SERs.


We seem to be drifting somewhat away from Bakerloo line.

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[d7666]

Back to the trackernet codes, I cross checked my lists and this trackernet list, for the Central, corresponds all 49 stations to the internal WTT station data codes.

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