Which drivers drive each line?

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Apologies if this has been answered before.

As we know, on London Underground, drivers are assigned to specific lines and (apart from the minor exception of the Waterloo & City line (operated by staff from the Central line's Leytonstone crew depot)) drive exclusively on their own line, unless they transfer and then they have to be road trained and stock trained on the new line and its stock. Obviously I'm only including train operators and instructor operators, not they who drive the engineering trains or test crews or any of those other-worldly beings.

With other TOCs, of course, I believe drivers are generally expected to be able to drive multiple routes (actually I'm not sure to what extent this varies with TOC, I don't know if greater anglia drivers, say, have to be able to drive all possible routes - maybe?)

So, obviously the question I'm working up to is: with London Overground do drivers stick to one of the routes (e.g. Watford DC line only, or East London Line only), or can drivers be assigned to any of the routes that make up the Overground network as a whole (or some combination)?

Ta

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[domh245]

I think that overground drivers have a more NR approach. I've seen a picture of a willesden depot duty, which involved working both the WLL, NLL, and the GOBLIN.

[redbond]

It's more to do with what depot they work at. New Cross Gate is the depot for the East London Line. All drivers sign Highbury & Islington to New Cross, Crystal Palace, West Croydon, Clapham Junction and Battersea Park. Up until recently there was a link of senior drivers who did some NLL work between Willesden and Clapham Junction. They also sometimes do stock transfer via Crystal Palace/Streatham. This will be changed soon as well so that stock transfer is done via the platforms at Clapham to allow more drivers to do it.

The other driver depots are of course Willesden, Watford, Euston and Stratford. I'm not going to comment on where they sign as I can't remember.

[dazz285]

Willesden drivers sign ... Nll Wll Gob & one link of drivers sign DC
Watford drivers sign DC NLL Wll
Euston/Stratford drivers sign Nll Wll Gob & some sign DC

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Thanks all

[Deleted]

Just a quick question, when you say 'sign', what exactly does that mean? I mean your posts are easy enough to understand, I was just wondering about the exact meaning of the term, is it, say, the routes they're qualified on, or just the routes they book on and are assigned to drive.

[dazz285]

We used to have route cards where we signed next to each route that we are qualified to drive over. Hence the phrase "Signed" Been a while since I signed any new route but I believe it's all on computer now with the introduction of new European train drivers licences, someone correct me if I'm wrong..

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Jun 9, 2014 12:43:00 GMT tut said:

Just a quick question, when you say 'sign', what exactly does that mean? I mean your posts are easy enough to understand, I was just wondering about the exact meaning of the term, is it, say, the routes they're qualified on, or just the routes they book on and are assigned to drive.

Routes you have been assessed on and deemed competent to drive (i.e. qualified).

[rincew1nd]

Jun 9, 2014 9:15:47 GMT dazz285 said:

Euston/Stratford drivers sign Nll Wll Gob & some sign DC

I would have thought that all Euston drivers would sign the DC; it seems odd to be based a 'depot' but not be able to drive any trains away from it?

[dazz285]

Jun 9, 2014 18:43:40 GMT rincew1nd said:

Jun 9, 2014 9:15:47 GMT dazz285 said:

Euston/Stratford drivers sign Nll Wll Gob & some sign DC

I would have thought that all Euston drivers would sign the DC; it seems odd to be based a 'depot' but not be able to drive any trains away from it?

I was generally talking about Euston to Watford. Most if not all sign the DC as far as Willesden so they can get empties to & from Willesden.

[rincew1nd]

Ok, thanks dazz285. So there are some Drivers' diagrams that mean they can sign on at Euston but go no further north than Willesden? I can understand why a Stratford Driver wouldn't be required to sign the DC Line in whole, but I would have thought that Euston Drivers would mainly drive the DC with an occasional soiree under the wires.

[superteacher]

Interesting thread. On the Underground, I believe that on any given line, drivers from any depot are signed off on the whole line. I believe the only exception to this is on the District, where Upminster and Barking drivers are not signed between High Street Ken abd Edgware Road. Will this change with the introduction of S stock throughout the whole line?

[domh245]

I think that the plan is to train the east end drivers on the edgware road road, but it won't happen until the line has gone all S stock. You also missed off the central line, only a few drivers are signed for the waterloo and city. I think that it is an east end depot that signs it

[superteacher]

Jun 9, 2014 21:30:50 GMT domh245 said:

I think that the plan is to train the east end drivers on the edgware road road, but it won't happen until the line has gone all S stock. You also missed off the central line, only a few drivers are signed for the waterloo and city. I think that it is an east end depot that signs it

Yes it's Leytonstone, but it's a separate line from the Central so I didn't include it.
A few years ago, only certain Central line depots were signed off for Epping to Ongar.
Looking back, where was the crew depot on the old East London Line?
Which Picc depots were signed for the Aldwych branch?
And which depots on the Bakerloo were signed to Watford?

[v52gc]

On the Picc the West end normally isn't signed off on Down Street and the East end isn't signed off on entering Northfields depot from the West end.

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Jun 9, 2014 21:53:12 GMT superteacher said:

Jun 9, 2014 21:30:50 GMT domh245 said:

I think that the plan is to train the east end drivers on the edgware road road, but it won't happen until the line has gone all S stock. You also missed off the central line, only a few drivers are signed for the waterloo and city. I think that it is an east end depot that signs it

Yes it's Leytonstone, but it's a separate line from the Central so I didn't include it.
A few years ago, only certain Central line depots were signed off for Epping to Ongar.
Looking back, where was the crew depot on the old East London Line?
Which Picc depots were signed for the Aldwych branch?
And which depots on the Bakerloo were signed to Watford?

To pick up on that, does anyone know which Picc drivers signed West Kensington before the Picc ceased to serve it?

[kesmet]

Coming back to the OVerground - what about the Primrose Hill link? (And off-topic, but why isn't that on the maps and marked as "special services only"?)

[dazz285]

Jun 10, 2014 1:06:10 GMT kesmet said:

Coming back to the OVerground - what about the Primrose Hill link? (And off-topic, but why isn't that on the maps and marked as "special services only"?)

That's probably a question for Tfl to answer...

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Jun 9, 2014 21:03:16 GMT superteacher said:

Interesting thread. On the Underground, I believe that on any given line, drivers from any depot are signed off on the whole line. I believe the only exception to this is on the District, where Upminster and Barking drivers are not signed between High Street Ken abd Edgware Road. Will this change with the introduction of S stock throughout the whole line?

That's basically a remnant from the C Stock operation where east end drivers weren't c stock licensed (due to limited number of trains etc, was covered by the west end depots).
I expect when S stock is fully rolled out there may not be a specific EDG - WDN service anymore, rather trains could run UPM - WDN - EDG - RMD - UPM or something instead. Obviously in that example it wouldn't be with the same driver on it for all of that as that'd be over parameters.