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Post by snoggle on Jul 30, 2014 15:07:48 GMT
The Mayor has issued an updated 2050 Infrastructure Plan for public consultation. There is a vast amount of information in the various documents. Main web page for 2050 planThere is a separate transport plan with a vast amount of potential schemes like a Bakerloo Line Extension, 6 car Overground, more control over NR services, more line upgrades, enhanced night tube services, more frequent DLR services, more trams, GOBLIN to Barking Riverside and Thamesmead, PED doors more widely on LU lines. Unfortunately the timescales set out for some of the schemes are decidedly unadventurous.  Transport Supporting PaperI am sure group members will find it interesting - I've barely skim read the transport document never mind everything else. Group Mods may wish to move this post. I didn't put in to the RIPAS section because this is what City Hall and TfL are considering not ideas from members! As this is a consultation process people can respond to the plan and give their feedback on what is needed. |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jul 30, 2014 15:49:07 GMT
The Mayor has issued an updated 2050 Infrastructure Plan for public consultation. There is a vast amount of information in the various documents. Main web page for 2050 planThere is a separate transport plan with a vast amount of potential schemes like a Bakerloo Line Extension, 6 car Overground, more control over NR services, more line upgrades, enhanced night tube services, more frequent DLR services, more trams, GOBLIN to Barking Riverside and Thamesmead, PED doors more widely on LU lines. Unfortunately the timescales set out for some of the schemes are decidedly unadventurous. Transport Supporting PaperI am sure group members will find it interesting - I've barely skim read the transport document never mind everything else. Group Mods may wish to move this post. I didn't put in to the RIPAS section because this is what City Hall and TfL are considering not ideas from members! As this is a consultation process people can respond to the plan and give their feedback on what is needed. 2050? I'll most likely be pushing up the daisies by then but it is an absorbing read!  |
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 30, 2014 19:19:28 GMT
Group Mods may wish to move this post. I didn't put in to the RIPAS section because this is what City Hall and TfL are considering not ideas from members! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 19:46:10 GMT
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jul 30, 2014 20:20:00 GMT
Looking at where it goes, the "R25" is not a completely new line. Far from it. It's the GOBLIN, the Dudding Hill line, the Kew West curve, parts of the the Hounslow, Kingston and Wimbledon loops, and the Nunhead spur. Only Norwood Junction to Barking looks to need much new build, plus new spurs at Twickenham, and to access the St Helier line from the SWML.
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Post by Ben on Aug 2, 2014 4:00:47 GMT
All in all, the thrust of the document is hard to fault - if London is to grow, which apparently it must, then it will need new transport infrastructure, new telecommunication infrastructure, and new utilities. Not to mention new housing units and new green spaces. People are calling the timeframe unambitious - I think its way too ambitious frankly; I doubt half of this will be built by the time I die! As long as London is strangled by Whitehall things will occur at a glacial pace. Crossrails full services are still about 5 years away, that means it'll be 30 in the making and an extra 16 to decide on the alignment. The Vic took about 30 years as well. Chelney/XR2 will probably hit 55 years, unless you include the Morgan tube as being part of its story - then it becomes 130 ish years. The Bakerloo southern extension, again proposed for what may be 130 years. The Jubilee/Fleet also took long enough to materialise for a name and destination change, as well as a thorough de-scope and the hideous cost over-run.
Specifically for the Overground ring rail thing though, it isnt intuitive just how someone came up with that indicative network. The document talks of "An option for doing this could involve an extension of Overground services in stages, creating some new links initially where most feasible and joining up existing routes over time". A quick aerial view of the required new construction doesnt look promising. Hounslow-Strawberry Hill (What about the Shepperton branch?), West Hampstead - Highgate Road (Presumably another new tunnel as MML flying junctions dont look great), Wimbledon - Abbey Wood is almost there already but such a service would go through so many pinch points and require flyovers/unders at Peckham Rye and Wimbledon which would be costly and difficult. Norwood Junction-Bexleyheath is fascinating as it seems to suggest reusing the former spur between Birbeck and NJ, the line to Beckenham Junction (doesnt TRamlink want this?), the Bromley North branch (which the Bakerloo also acquires in this document), then sharing the NR line between New Eltham and Albany Park..... tbc
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 2, 2014 8:39:29 GMT
Specifically for the Overground ring rail thing though,..................... Hounslow-Strawberry Hill Could be done with a reversal at Twickenham, although as with many other locations, there would be capacity problems between there and Whitton. The only thing barring you from driving a train from Barking to Abbey Wood over the proposed route is the lack of a physical connection between at Peckham Rye, but a number of the connections would need to be modified by grade separation to avoid serious disruption to radial routes like the MML, Windsor Lines, SWML, and Lewisham |
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