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Post by redbond on Oct 22, 2014 13:47:02 GMT
Just an update since drivers are doing their 5 car briefing now.
Selective Door Opening will be in operation at the following stations only;
Whitechapel: Rear two doors will not open on both up and down. Wapping: Last door will not open on the Up, Last two will not open on the down. Rotherhithe: Last two doors will not open on both up and down. Canada Water: Last door will not open on both up and down.
The added coach will be a MOS, formation will now be (DMOS)-(MOS)-(P/TOS)-(MOS)-(DMOS)
First of the new 5 car trains will be introduced around the 7th November, then one a week thereafter.
PIS announcements will be added at NXG not Derby, after the first few 5 car trains have been introduced, therefore there will be a period with manual announcements being made.
Drivers are already in a period of transition, getting used to stopping at the new 5 car stop boards. From the 1st November all trains, irrespective of coach length, will stop at the 5 car boards.
Correct Side Door Enable (CSDE) is also being introduced with the fifth cars.
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Post by rapidtransitman on Oct 22, 2014 14:30:37 GMT
Redbond can you or anyone else explain what MOS means, as well as the P, D, and T prefixes? Thx in advance.
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Post by dazz285 on Oct 22, 2014 14:46:45 GMT
Motor Open Standard Also all that Redbond said is only for the ELL at this time.. No selective door opening on the NLL, WLL or DC.
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Post by Rich32 on Oct 22, 2014 15:17:56 GMT
Redbond can you or anyone else explain what MOS means, as well as the P, D, and T prefixes? Thx in advance. In addition to Dazz's reply P= Pantograph D= Driving T= Trailer
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Post by bicbasher on Oct 22, 2014 15:34:55 GMT
I take it the plan is for the 5 car units to operate initially on the West Croydon and New Cross services?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 20:12:17 GMT
I take it the plan is for the 5 car units to operate initially on the West Croydon and New Cross services? Not necessarily. They can initially run on any of the ELL services.
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Post by A60stock on Oct 22, 2014 21:36:09 GMT
will 5 car services run on any other LO routes? the watford dc in particular
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 22:13:57 GMT
will 5 car services run on any other LO routes? the watford dc in particular Yes they will be introduced on the DC line. However, in all probability when the new trains for GOB and West Anglia are delivered in 2017-18, the 5-car DC line 378s will be cascaded back to the NLL and ELL to enhance services. The base order for new rolling stock has been increased from 39 to 45 4-car units - the increase of 6 being suspiciously equal to the number of units required to operate the DC line service which only requires 4-car units!
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Post by dazz285 on Oct 23, 2014 5:59:41 GMT
will 5 car services run on any other LO routes? the watford dc in particular Yes they will be introduced on the DC line. However, in all probability when the new trains for GOB and West Anglia are delivered in 2017-18, the 5-car DC line 378s will be cascaded back to the NLL and ELL to enhance services. The base order for new rolling stock has been increased from 39 to 45 4-car units - the increase of 6 being suspiciously equal to the number of units required to operate the DC line service which only requires 4-car units! No DC 5 car service for the time being.. "I have been informed that on the Watford – Euston line, the design process for the train lengthening programme has identified the need to upgrade the power supply on this route. The programme for this work is currently under discussion with Network Rail (who own the infrastructure)" <--- Info direct from Tfl...
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Post by melikepie on Oct 23, 2014 11:45:20 GMT
What would an upgraded power supply do to Bakerloo Line trains? If I remember correctly, the voltage on the DC line is at a compromise for both systems.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 12:33:22 GMT
Yes they will be introduced on the DC line. However, in all probability when the new trains for GOB and West Anglia are delivered in 2017-18, the 5-car DC line 378s will be cascaded back to the NLL and ELL to enhance services. The base order for new rolling stock has been increased from 39 to 45 4-car units - the increase of 6 being suspiciously equal to the number of units required to operate the DC line service which only requires 4-car units! No DC 5 car service for the time being.. "I have been informed that on the Watford – Euston line, the design process for the train lengthening programme has identified the need to upgrade the power supply on this route. The programme for this work is currently under discussion with Network Rail (who own the infrastructure)" <--- Info direct from Tfl... All 57 Class 378s are being lengthened to 5-car. The 5-car DC line 378s will run until at least late spring or early summer 2018 so the power supply upgrade is needed to assist that, plus we have known for a long time that power supply arrangements on the DC lines were inadequate. After that time the new 4-car units will enter service on the DC line - they also require this upgrade. That will give 5-car Class 378s on the NLL, WLL and ELL. 4-Car Class will run on DC line, GOB, WA Inners and Romford-Upminster.
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Post by Ben on Oct 23, 2014 17:41:41 GMT
Interesting that the vehical class now comes after its interior layout, ie DMSO is now DMOS. When did the nomencleture change? Dare I even ask why...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 20:00:00 GMT
Interesting that the vehical class now comes after its interior layout, ie DMSO is now DMOS. When did the nomencleture change? Dare I even ask why... We've always known it to be called the DMOS.
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Post by brigham on Oct 23, 2014 21:09:22 GMT
These descriptions are very variable, and can depend on stock types and who owns them. BR Mk1 carriages are SO, TSO, never OS, TOS, for instance.
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Post by redbond on Oct 29, 2014 16:15:39 GMT
The first 5 Car train is back at NXG and safely tucked up in the maintenance shed!
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Post by dpb on Nov 2, 2014 0:31:48 GMT
Will the 5 car trains be a new sub-class of the 378s in the same way the 4 cars became 378/2s from the 3 car 378/0s?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 18:57:39 GMT
Testing on the ELL has been going well with the first 5 car scheduled to run in service tomorrow approx 11am. I don't have the specific timings but it may change subject to operational requirements.
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Post by patstonuk on Nov 7, 2014 13:43:26 GMT
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Post by johnb2 on Nov 7, 2014 15:22:45 GMT
Oh! Very clever thinking!! Wonderful what you can do with vynyls! John
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Post by bicbasher on Nov 8, 2014 20:13:54 GMT
I saw the unit stabled at NXG depot today while on a southbound ELL service.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2014 15:23:49 GMT
Update on the 5-car working:
There will be a slight delay in the introduction of the 1st 5-car unit due to teething problems with the SDO trackside equipment & software. The earliest we expect the 5-car to be in service is this Thursday (13th Nov) but its subject to change if the problems are not rectified.
Due to the works at NXG depot running behind schedule the plan is to initially convert 2 units a month as opposed to 1 a week. This will hopefully be increased once the works come to completion.
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Post by dazz285 on Nov 9, 2014 22:17:45 GMT
I love it when a plan comes together ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2014 22:42:48 GMT
I'd second that and hopefully an 8-car formation will be delivered for the Cheshunt and Chingford lines.
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Post by rincew1nd on Nov 10, 2014 0:11:58 GMT
I'd second that and hopefully an 8-car formation will be delivered for the Cheshunt and Chingford lines. Surely that's do-able now with two four-car units in multiple?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 15:23:21 GMT
I know but why 2 x 4 rather than just 1 eight-car unit?
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Post by Dom K on Nov 10, 2014 16:14:14 GMT
I know but why 2 x 4 rather than just 1 eight-car unit? Because just like now, off peak services use/need only 4 cars. As we have seen, LO make a railway more popular, so may see an increase in 8 car use
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Post by stapler on Nov 10, 2014 16:20:17 GMT
I'd second that and hopefully an 8-car formation will be delivered for the Cheshunt and Chingford lines. There'd be a rebellion if they tried to run the Chingford line with 4-car units in the peak
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 16:21:14 GMT
There is very active and ongoing discussion within TfL/LO about the need to run more trains outside the peaks in 8-car formations. Watch this space!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 16:26:08 GMT
OK so there will probably never be an 8-car EMU made for LO for these lines then.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 16:38:38 GMT
Its not likely that permanent 8-car formations will be ordered. Not likely, but not impossible! However, that would mean ordering two sub-fleets. The first in sufficient numbers to allow permanent 8-car formations on the Enfield Town/Cheshunt/Chingford services. The second in 4-car formations for GOB, Romford-Upminster and probably the Watford DC line!
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