Through NR tickets

[melikepie]

I know this has been asked before for Oyster but I was wondering on a single or return ticket for two stations outside the zones, how long are you allowed on the Underground to travel between interchange stations or is there no limit? Also, can through tickets use buses as part of the journey?

[Chris M]

AIUI through tickets are only valid on the Underground and DLR, and only when marked with +. The exception would be when there is disruption and it is advertised that buses are accepting LU tickets.

They are valid for "reasonable" routes between the two stations, and only for a single journey (or a single outward and single return journey). The Oyster time limits are probably a reasonable guide to what is considered a reasonable journey time. If your NR ticket type does not allow breaks of journeys, then there might be validity issues on your out of London train if you spend too long on the system.

[Deleted]

Are there any through fares via the Underground which don't allow for a break of journey? I would have thought that the transfer between NR and LU at most London stations constituted a break of journey in itself.

There is no obligation to use the Underground when using a through ticket. On the rare occasions that I need to transfer between Euston and Kings Cross, I usually walk it!

[causton]

No, using the Tube/DLR/etc does not count as Break of Journey. For example, Advance tickets do not allow any break of journey, yet many involve using the Tube.

One must remember it is not a break of journey to use station facilities however. even if these "station facilities" are a pub located inside the station e.g. at Euston. So in theory, as long as you stick to any mandatory trains, you can take a train a bit before your 'suggested itinerary' states!

[Chris M]

Oct 26, 2014 21:02:38 GMT @stonesfan said:

There is no obligation to use the Underground when using a through ticket. On the rare occasions that I need to transfer between Euston and Kings Cross, I usually walk it!

Euston-King's Cross is indeed walkable. I've only done Paddington <-> Liverpool Street, Paddington -> Charing Cross, London Bridge -> Paddington and Waterloo -> King's Cross though and I couldn't walk any of them in the time available!

[rincew1nd]

Oct 26, 2014 21:02:38 GMT @stonesfan said:

On the rare occasions that I need to transfer between Euston and Kings Cross, I usually walk it!

A few years ago I was with a group of friends at King's Cross and we debated the fastest way to get to Euston. Some wanted to get the Tube, some walk and some the bus. I was an advocate of walking, and one person joined me. Only one person tried the bus and the rest got the tube. We set off from platform 9 3/4 (the old one by platform 9) and our destination was to be Euston concourse underneath the departure board for the next Leighton Buzzard train (our route home).

We all set off together, the only rule being "no running". A group dashed for the Underground and the Victoria Line platforms; as they arrived on the platform a train was sat waiting with doors open. I speed-minced along Euston Road as fast as my lallies would carry me. It can be a long way sometimes, it certainly felt like it that evening, and I was out of breath as I entered the concourse. I was most disappointed to see the "Tube" group standing and grinning under the departure boards, though it turns out that they had only just got there; if it wasn't for the Vic' line train sitting in the platform ready to go they'd have lost. About ten minutes later the one-man bus team arrived with much jeering.

Unfortunately the bus-team then pointed out that according to the departure board above us the Leighton Buzzard train was leaving in thirty seconds. We all sprinted to the barrier and watched the tail lights of our train disappear into the gloom! Ah nuts. Oh well, plenty of good pubs; a few gins/pints later we caught the next train home.

Since then I have always vowed that if you're upstairs it's best to walk, but if you're downstairs then the Vic' Line is your swiftest chariot betwixt the two.

[suncloud]

NR marked with the cross are valid for entry/exit at interchanges with London's rail termini (with a couple of extra stations). they should not be used as a travelcard, but as a single ticket between your incoming and outgoing stations. if an inspector were to stop you on an illogical route I expect you might have some explaining to do. you can of course still take a break of journey at either end of your lu journey if your NR ticketing permits

[Hutch]

There are a few anomalies that I am aware of - left overs from when LUL took over BR lines.  An example is Greenford to High Wycombe. Routes via the Central Line through West/South Ruislip are equally valid (and quicker) than via Paddington/Marylebone and the Bakerloo.  Baker Street is also a valid London Terminal when I returned from Aylesbury one night via the Met rather than Chiltern.  I suspect there are others.

[peterc]

I no longer use the line but it certainly was the case that tickets into Liverpool Street were also valid on the Central from Stratford. Presumably related to the take over of the Ongar branch.

[bicbasher]

Oct 28, 2014 16:50:15 GMT peterc said:

I no longer use the line but it certainly was the case that tickets into Liverpool Street were also valid on the Central from Stratford. Presumably related to the take over of the Ongar branch.

They still are.

You can also use London Terminals tickets from Great Northern stations between Kings Cross and Old Street/Moorgate on the Northern line when the Northern City line is closed during evenings and weekends.