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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 13:53:58 GMT
When Crossrail starts I expect most people will opt to use the new Crossrail service to central London from Ealing Broadway which means there will be less demand for the Central Line from EB. With a reduced Central line service serving Ealing Broadway maybe that line could make do with just one platform. If so then perhaps it might be possible to extend the Barking to Gospel Oak service to Ealing Broadway.
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Post by snoggle on Nov 16, 2014 14:09:54 GMT
When Crossrail starts I expect most people will opt to use the new Crossrail service to central London from Ealing Broadway which means there will be less demand for the Central Line from EB. With a reduced Central line service serving Ealing Broadway maybe that line could make do with just one platform. If so then perhaps it might be possible to extend the Barking to Gospel Oak service to Ealing Broadway. It won't happen. TfL have announced that they intend to increase peak frequency between Willesden to Stratford to 10tph. That is pretty much the maximum peak headway so there's no scope to extend GOBLIN services. Continuing demand for freight also means there is no off peak spare capacity and the GOBLIN itself will face more freight workings because of the new Thameside port and extra signalling capacity is needed. I also doubt there is any ability to cope with more train movements in the Acton - West Ealing corridor once Crossrail starts. The GWML will be stretched to capacity in the peaks - this is why the Greenford service will NOT run into Paddington. No paths. It is clear that there is no TfL plan, at present, to run GOBLIN trains beyond Gospel Oak. There is also no aspiration for an Overground service to Ealing. If there was you'd expect it to feature in the TfL consultation on Old Oak Common and there is no mention. The aim is to create *interchange* between Overground and Crossrail at OOC in recognition of the links it would provide. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 11:36:55 GMT
When Crossrail starts I expect most people will opt to use the new Crossrail service to central London from Ealing Broadway which means there will be less demand for the Central Line from EB. With a reduced Central line service serving Ealing Broadway maybe that line could make do with just one platform. If so then perhaps it might be possible to extend the Barking to Gospel Oak service to Ealing Broadway. It won't happen. TfL have announced that they intend to increase peak frequency between Willesden to Stratford to 10tph. That is pretty much the maximum peak headway so there's no scope to extend GOBLIN services. Continuing demand for freight also means there is no off peak spare capacity and the GOBLIN itself will face more freight workings because of the new Thameside port and extra signalling capacity is needed. I also doubt there is any ability to cope with more train movements in the Acton - West Ealing corridor once Crossrail starts. The GWML will be stretched to capacity in the peaks - this is why the Greenford service will NOT run into Paddington. No paths. It is clear that there is no TfL plan, at present, to run GOBLIN trains beyond Gospel Oak. There is also no aspiration for an Overground service to Ealing. If there was you'd expect it to feature in the TfL consultation on Old Oak Common and there is no mention. The aim is to create *interchange* between Overground and Crossrail at OOC in recognition of the links it would provide. That seems a shame as it would make a very useful link between west and north London. I was thinking that rather that run the extended service on the same tracks as Crossrail between Acton and Ealing Broadway it could run on a parallel single track between A and EB and with reduced demand for the Central Line then that could also run on a single track between West Acton and EB. As for the freight movements why couldn't they all be done at night? |
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Post by Chris M on Nov 18, 2014 12:02:04 GMT
As for the freight movements why couldn't they all be done at night? Because when would you maintain the tracks? Both these ones and the ones they need to use to get to and from here. |
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Post by peterc on Nov 18, 2014 14:23:04 GMT
If you hold up freight for 12 hours or more for "operational convenience" it will just go by road.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 17:58:43 GMT
Given there is no North London - Heathrow pax link bypassing zone 1 this would certainly be a well-used extension I'd expect, but given there are no paths it just won't happen.
Shame, really.
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Post by Tomcakes on Nov 18, 2014 19:18:07 GMT
As I understand it the attitude to freight has changed massively in recent years. Once upon a time it was moved slowly and at the convenience of the railways - now it in some cases has priority over 1xxx passenger services! I seem to remember reading something about BR in the 1970s and a driver being given a goods train to move - there was no real timetable to keep and nobody expected him back in any great hurry.
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Post by castlebar on Nov 18, 2014 20:42:16 GMT
If the Acton Town - South Acton link were to be re-instated, what a wonderful N. London to Heathrow link that could make
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Post by jacko1 on Nov 19, 2014 23:19:01 GMT
It won't happen. TfL have announced that they intend to increase peak frequency between Willesden to Stratford to 10tph. That is pretty much the maximum peak headway so there's no scope to extend GOBLIN services. Continuing demand for freight also means there is no off peak spare capacity and the GOBLIN itself will face more freight workings because of the new Thameside port and extra signalling capacity is needed. I also doubt there is any ability to cope with more train movements in the Acton - West Ealing corridor once Crossrail starts. The GWML will be stretched to capacity in the peaks - this is why the Greenford service will NOT run into Paddington. No paths. It is clear that there is no TfL plan, at present, to run GOBLIN trains beyond Gospel Oak. There is also no aspiration for an Overground service to Ealing. If there was you'd expect it to feature in the TfL consultation on Old Oak Common and there is no mention. The aim is to create *interchange* between Overground and Crossrail at OOC in recognition of the links it would provide. That seems a shame as it would make a very useful link between west and north London. I was thinking that rather that run the extended service on the same tracks as Crossrail between Acton and Ealing Broadway it could run on a parallel single track between A and EB and with reduced demand for the Central Line then that could also run on a single track between West Acton and EB. As for the freight movements why couldn't they all be done at night? because,like passenger services,freight customers dictate when they want their trains to run.yes, a lot of intermodal freights run at night(5years driving with freightliner intermodal,i know about nights!)trains like aggregate,cement,oil ect,run to suit customers terminal requirments. |
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Post by crusty54 on Nov 20, 2014 6:52:40 GMT
Just to get back to the topic, one Central Line platform would never be enough at Ealing Broadway.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 9:30:12 GMT
Don't know if anyone else has spotted this Tube Map of the Future click here - what sort of name is Bethnal Green Viaduct? |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 20, 2014 10:22:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 15:15:10 GMT
Holborn Viaduct is the name of the road the station was situated on. Bethnal Green viaduct sounded contrived but I don't have the local knowledge, is the viaduct in that area referred to in that way? Back to the map I gave a link to. That has the Goblin as part of the R25. |
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Post by melikepie on Nov 20, 2014 15:42:55 GMT
Why is Acton Main Line missing? As far as I was aware OOC was going to be an extra station with it remaining open. It would make no sense whatsoever to close it
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 20, 2014 16:15:52 GMT
That has the Goblin as part of the R25. The R25 (perhaps more appropriately R205, as it closely follows the north and south Circular Roads rather than the M25 motorway) appears to be a stringing together of various bits of existing sort of orbital routes: Goblin, Dudding Hill Line, Hounslow, Kingston, Wimbledon and Sidcup Loops, Carshalton line, Bromley North branch, etc. Indeed, with a reversal at Twickenham, it is already possible to drive a train all the way round from Barking to Peckham Rye, although the layout would need to be remodelled there to continue to Abbey Wood. |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Nov 20, 2014 17:59:36 GMT
Holborn Viaduct is the name of the road the station was situated on. Bethnal Green viaduct sounded contrived but I don't have the local knowledge, is the viaduct in that area referred to in that way? Back to the map I gave a link to. That has the Goblin as part of the R25. Hi Dennis, I hope this picture will help you with the idea behind calling the NR Bethnal Green station "Bethnal Green Viaduct". As you can see......wait for it......it's on a viaduct!    My late Grandfather worked on the national railways in the East End for many, many years and although he'd retired by the time I put in a cognitive appearance I distinctly remember him referring to "his" Bethnal Green as The Viaduct in order to make sure I knew which one he was talking about. He referred to the underground as "the toy railway"!  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 13:55:25 GMT
You could always call it 'Bethnal Green High Level', and the Underground as 'Bethnal Green Ultra-low Level'...  |
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