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Post by ducatisti on Nov 21, 2014 13:44:01 GMT
Was tootling up to Chalfont & Latimer on Thursday, and I saw a lot of staff out doing various tasks. All in orange high-viz etc, but what surprised me was the number of them walking on the line.
I know some work is done with the third rail being live on the NR network, but it does seem rather dangerous to be traipsing around in the tiny space you have left with a return rail in the middle. Would one line be isolated (it was on the 4-track section) and the current turned off for this or not?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 14:00:25 GMT
There is alot of procedures and training to work in Traffic Hours (trains running) traction is on and no the line is not blocked to trains.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 14:06:47 GMT
It depends on the type of work being carried out as to whether the power would have been off or not. Most likely would have been on. If it was off, there is a chance it may not power back again.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 15:15:43 GMT
As stated, the answer is generally 'absolutely not', though obviously if a conductor rail itself is being worked on - and under other circumstances as well - traction current needs to be switched off. I was fortunate enough to get some very good answers on a similar topic a while back: link. |
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Post by crusty54 on Nov 21, 2014 20:20:50 GMT
Some signalling upgrade work was planned to be carried out on the fast lines during daylight off peak hours.
The power can be isolated as necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 23:02:13 GMT
Not really a problem if people know what theyre doing. From what i've seen LU track maintenance staff are pretty comfortable with all the live rails and trains running, seen loads walk on the conductor rails!
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Post by version3point1 on Nov 22, 2014 12:22:19 GMT
There's a regular p-way gang that patrol along the north end of the Met, mainly in the mornings and early afternoons, when the light and conditions are best. As a driver, we are trained to look out for them, and as individuals working on live track, they're trained to give themselves ample sighting time. Long and short of it – we give them a toot, they move somewhere safe accordingly and acknowledge, and this satisfies both parties. They generally don't work on the conductor rails – you will find one chap may be carrying a large multi-tool that looks like a spanner, used to tighten up or re-jig things on the p-way. One of the guys will act as a "look out" – you will notice he may carry a horn, which he will use to alert his gang upon the sighting of a train. Generally they will move to a place of safety like the cess upon acknowledging the train, or more often than not, given the track layout, will move to a road that is not occupied by any oncoming traffic to allow them to carry on walking at a safe distance from a passing train.
Chalfont and Latimer is pretty tame now I think about it. You should see it when they're walking along the southbound main somewhere between Moor Park and Northwood during the morning peak, and switching between all four lines!
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Post by North End on Nov 22, 2014 21:28:39 GMT
There's a regular p-way gang that patrol along the north end of the Met, mainly in the mornings and early afternoons, when the light and conditions are best. As a driver, we are trained to look out for them, and as individuals working on live track, they're trained to give themselves ample sighting time. Long and short of it – we give them a toot, they move somewhere safe accordingly and acknowledge, and this satisfies both parties. They generally don't work on the conductor rails – you will find one chap may be carrying a large multi-tool that looks like a spanner, used to tighten up or re-jig things on the p-way. One of the guys will act as a "look out" – you will notice he may carry a horn, which he will use to alert his gang upon the sighting of a train. Generally they will move to a place of safety like the cess upon acknowledging the train, or more often than not, given the track layout, will move to a road that is not occupied by any oncoming traffic to allow them to carry on walking at a safe distance from a passing train. Chalfont and Latimer is pretty tame now I think about it. You should see it when they're walking along the southbound main somewhere between Moor Park and Northwood during the morning peak, and switching between all four lines! Dealing with a failure at Golders Green can be interesting, with the potential for trains to approach from numerous directions, as well as loads of points to negotiate. Always amusing when a NIRM turns up! |
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Post by DWS on Nov 22, 2014 23:07:54 GMT
What's a NIRM ?
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Post by roythebus on Nov 23, 2014 10:46:43 GMT
Northern Ireland Railway Museum.
Staff have always walked the four foot during traffic hours. It's almost perfectly safe providing the rules are followed.
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Post by Harsig on Nov 23, 2014 11:27:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 14:48:32 GMT
Network Incident response manager. Taken over most of the responsibilities from the DRM. |
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Post by DWS on Nov 30, 2014 10:43:18 GMT
Network Incident response manager. Taken over most of the responsibilities from the DRM. Since when have DRM's been stripped of most responsibilities ? |
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Post by programmes1 on Nov 30, 2014 10:58:27 GMT
Network Incident response manager. Taken over most of the responsibilities from the DRM. Since when have DRM's been stripped of most responsibilities ? Since the NIRMs took over. |
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Post by North End on Nov 30, 2014 14:36:44 GMT
Since when have DRM's been stripped of most responsibilities ? Since the NIRMs took over. It's not correct to say that the DRM has been stripped of most, or even any, responsibilities. The NIRM was created as an additional role. The DRM remains fully licensed and available to manage and assist with incidents, including taking silver control where required. The DRM also carries out incident investigation (which has always taken up most of their time, but tends not to be seen because most of this activity takes place "behind the scenes"), CMS, PGIs, emergency signal operator, fully licensed signal operator (on some lines), emergency train operator, making up numbers on stations, and of course covering DTSM desks when required. |
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Post by programmes1 on Dec 4, 2014 15:22:43 GMT
Well the people I have spoken to tell a different story seems like the usual LU lies from who that is the question only have to see how they cover up service problems.
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Post by rheostar on Dec 6, 2014 18:47:31 GMT
Network Incident response manager. Taken over most of the responsibilities from the DRM. Not true. DRMs handle 99% of all incidents, they investigate all line incidents and carry out whatever's required by the line. A NIRM will attend incidents that the line based DRMs can't get to quickly, especially in the central London area. They will usually, but not always, attend the more serious incidents such as 'one unders'. DRMs and NIRMs may also attend the same incidents and both act as an additional resource. Once on site, one might take silver control and the other bronze, depending on what's required by the Sevice Manager or SOO. |
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