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Post by regp41 on Jan 14, 2015 16:30:47 GMT
Does any one know if there are any firm plans in place to get this done. It all seems to have gone a bit quite since the original allocation of funds.
Ray
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 14, 2015 17:13:50 GMT
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Post by bassmike on Jan 14, 2015 17:35:05 GMT
Is it also requierd to allow for U I C loading gauge when re-constructing bridges etc: (it should be) .Several bridges on my local line have been re-built and look to have much more clearance than previously.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 15:05:34 GMT
Despite the User Group claiming its been delayed well into 2018, the scheduled switch on date for the main section between Barking and Gospel Oak is Spring/Summer 2017, with connecting lines following in Summer/Autumn 2018. However, as with all electrification work, there is a desperate shortage of engineers and there is also a risk that something might be found along the route that delays things such as unmapped cables or pipes or soil conditions or subsidence in line side structures such as walls. You can survey things as much as you like but until you actually get out on site - you never really know! However, its standard practise to factor in time for unknowns, and that's exactly what NR did as part of the GRIP process. So, Spring/Summer 2017 it remains, subject to the points I made above.
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 15, 2015 23:30:05 GMT
The bridge at Upper Holloway is being dug up for 2 years (!) in order to permit these works, which I understand will include a roadway and railway closure for three weeks next Christmas. That should be fun, then...
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Post by regp41 on Jan 16, 2015 16:58:53 GMT
The recently released report on the consultation about "The London Overground Extension to Barking Riverside" also points to funding still being in place.
Thanks for all your info guys, it does look as if things are moving, albeit much more slowly than I anticipated.
Ray
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Post by melikepie on Jun 24, 2015 21:15:56 GMT
According to Modern Railways July edition, Rail Minister Claire Perry has said that enabling works are to begin in October and the major works to begin in June 2016 with a completion date along with electric trains running by 30th June 2017.
£115 million has been allocated, of which £90 million will come from the DfT and the rest from TfL although no final cost has been estimated yet.
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Post by dazz285 on Jun 24, 2015 21:39:56 GMT
According to Modern Railways July edition, Rail Minister Claire Perry has said that enabling works are to begin in October and the major works to begin in June 2016 with a completion date along with electric trains running by 30th June 2017. £115 million has been allocated, of which £90 million will come from the SgT and the rest from TfL although no final cost has been estimated yet. I'd like to know what electric trains they are talking about?? Surely it will take longer than a year to build & test the new whatever class Bombardier will build...
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 24, 2015 22:07:29 GMT
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Post by jukes on Jun 24, 2015 23:16:31 GMT
According to the paper submitted to the TfL F&P Committee last week, the first new train is not scheduled to even be delivered until 4 December 2017. That date would have been derived from the manufacturers schedule.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 24, 2015 23:33:59 GMT
Sorry to be very picky but the order is not contracted until the 10 day "standstill period" has elapsed. The overarching programme clearly requires the order to be placed by 1 July 2015. This is why TfL went to unusual lengths to delegate financial and procurement authority from the Board to the Finance and Policy Committee. The date of the latter's most recent meeting just allows the 1 July 2015 deadline to be met including the standstill period. The Board actually meets on 1 July and if it had not delegated authority then the contract would be confirmed 11 days later than the programme. Clearly there is an aggressive design, build and commission programme for Bombardier to meet. I still think there will be a gap of a few months between the wires being energised and there being trains that can use them. The actual authority paper says that the first train is not due until 4 December 2017 with the last due 26 October 2018. Given the need for clearance tests, test runs, driver training, engineer training and "shake down" of the units it's clearly going to take a wee while before a new train runs in passenger service. Let's hope Winter 2017/18 isn't too severe or else that will affect things. The Line's User Group clearly prompted Caroline Pidgeon to ask the Mayor about when trains will enter service relative to electrification completing. The answer was published earlier this week.
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Post by dazz285 on Jun 25, 2015 8:41:49 GMT
Sorry should have written 2 years.. Should know better than to add opinions after a night turn. ;-) Still a very tight time scale as a few of the Overground projects are way behind schedule.. ie W.E.F.O.C. & Willesden Tmd..
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Post by Chris M on Jun 25, 2015 11:14:59 GMT
Having wires but no trains to use them is a better problem than having electric trains but no wires for them to use. The dates allow for missed deadlines in the wiring programme (for whatever reason). Anyway, the minister didn't say there would be electric passenger trains running on that date - FOCs have electric units that could be routed that way.
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Post by stapler on Jun 25, 2015 15:59:52 GMT
Do we yet know when Goblin is to be closed for works, for how long, and what replacement services will be put in place? Apologies if I've missed something.
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Post by dazz285 on Jun 25, 2015 16:40:07 GMT
2 bits of info floating around at work but nothing definite as of yet. 1. 9 month complete shut down 2. Gospel Oak to South Tottenham shut then Black Horse Rd to Barking shut.
I did email the canal river trust as I was curious about the last 2 bridges to be replaced between South Tottenham & Black Horse Rd & they replied "Network Rail have undertaken Trial Investigation works to this Bridge and are at present putting together a design package for its Replacement. Their initial Programme of works is looking to close the line down for 6 months, between July 2016 to December 2016."
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Post by snoggle on Jun 25, 2015 16:48:08 GMT
Do we yet know when Goblin is to be closed for works, for how long, and what replacement services will be put in place? Apologies if I've missed something. There have been no press releases or passenger comms but someone on Rail Forums UK said the info was on Network Rail's Rules of the Route 2016 for Anglia. Linky link linkIf you look from page 115 onwards then the GOBLIN is effectively shut every Sunday for much of 2016. There are then full possessions between Barking and South Tottenham for 4 months (May to Sept) which is then extended to the entire line for another 3 months (Sept - Dec). That's a very long time but perhaps indicative of the scale of the job - particularly on the brick viaduct sections to the east of the line. The freight connections to the ECML at Hornsey and MML west of Upper Holloway will not be wired until 2018 so it's a two phase job in terms of providing a fully electrified freight route.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 25, 2015 21:59:16 GMT
The freight connections to the ECML at Hornsey and MML west of Upper Holloway will not be wired until 2018 so it's a two phase job in terms of providing a fully electrified freight route. Given the news today about rescheduling the MML electrification, the wires will end at Bedford for the foreseeable future. There may therefore be little point in electrifying the link from the Goblin to the MML for freight
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 26, 2015 22:29:29 GMT
The freight connections to the ECML at Hornsey and MML west of Upper Holloway will not be wired until 2018 so it's a two phase job in terms of providing a fully electrified freight route. Given the news today about rescheduling the MML electrification, the wires will end at Bedford for the foreseeable future. There may therefore be little point in electrifying the link from the Goblin to the MML for freight Knowing how things are done in this country, get the wiring in as scheduled, even if its little used at first! Otherwise it may be cancelled too. Simon
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Post by mrjrt on Jun 27, 2015 13:10:12 GMT
I believe that the wiring to Corby will still happen, as will the restoration of 4-tracks to Kettering. One of the reasons given for Transpennine electrification being deferred is that new proposals have risen up to the pecking order for improvements to infrastructure (for higher speeds, etc.) There's no point installing masts and then wires and moving everything around if a few years later you start realigning sections of track...and this holds especially true for the Corby improvements, which if they are to be operated by the electric trains that have already been ordered will have to have some wires to run under, and ideally you need the additional tracks back before you do that so they stay out of the way of the mainline services on the current lines.
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Post by stapler on Jun 27, 2015 14:51:35 GMT
<<Knowing how things are done in this country, get the wiring in as scheduled, even if its little used at first! Otherwise it may be cancelled too.>> Yes, but there may be no electrification, or any tracks (cf the two spurs from Hall Farm Junction, wired 1959, lifted 1967. )
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Post by snoggle on Jul 21, 2015 22:42:58 GMT
Another Mayor's Question and Answer but this time about future service levels on the GOBLIN post electrification.
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