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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 21:21:51 GMT
Hi all this is my first post on this forum, I live near Uxbridge so the met has always been my local service even when I lived at Watford. Unfortunately I missed the last days of the A60 with that in mind will the RAT ever be used on one of the heritage days?
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Post by sawb on Jan 29, 2015 21:26:45 GMT
Last I heard, the A stock RAT was due for imminent scrapping! I may be wrong though....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 22:05:43 GMT
I highly doubt the A stock will be scrapped (Can't state my reasons online) any time soon, but with the conversion with two D stock trains to RAT duties who knows.
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Post by metman on Jan 29, 2015 22:59:19 GMT
I would like to think that at least one of the units would be kept in working order - hopefully 5234 as it was first in service back in 1961 (as 5008) but LU are very short sighted these days.....
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Post by towerman on Jan 30, 2015 12:08:00 GMT
I highly doubt the A stock will be scrapped (Can't state my reasons online) any time soon, but with the conversion with two D stock trains to RAT duties who knows. Would expect the 2 D stock RATs to be for the west & east ends of the District. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 14:13:49 GMT
I highly doubt the A stock will be scrapped (Can't state my reasons online) any time soon, but with the conversion with two D stock trains to RAT duties who knows. Would expect the 2 D stock RATs to be for the west & east ends of the District. True |
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Post by philthetube on Jan 31, 2015 1:57:31 GMT
I have heard that the A stock rats are to be replaced with D stock as they are mechanically much more sound.
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Post by metman on Jan 31, 2015 8:30:20 GMT
Yes this was my concern too!
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 31, 2015 8:34:52 GMT
Would expect the 2 D stock RATs to be for the west & east ends of the District. D Stock to replace the MET A Stock. District doesn't really require dedicated RAT train, has coped ok without! 2 further D Stock 'trains' to be kept for ERU use. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 14:54:22 GMT
Hope they dont get scrapped, cant they keep one four car set for heritage I mean they did play a massive role on the met for over half a century. If I win the lotto tonight I will bid for then lol
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Post by sawb on Jan 31, 2015 17:15:11 GMT
Hope they dont get scrapped, cant they keep one four car set for heritage I mean they did play a massive role on the met for over half a century. If I win the lotto tonight I will bid for then lol Hope the jackpot's big, as you'll need your own private siding to store it as well! Can't see any A stock being retained for heritage operations, purely because there are so many issues to overcome, least of all where would it be stored? Acton is already too full to take any more full length trains. That means you're either looking at storing and maintaining it at an operational LU depot (and I can't imagine that going down well) or as I said someone buying them for several million and storing them at their own private siding! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 21:01:31 GMT
How much would they get for scrap?
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 1, 2015 1:21:20 GMT
Hope the jackpot's big, as you'll need your own private siding to store it as well! Can't see any A stock being retained for heritage operations, purely because there are so many issues to overcome, least of all where would it be stored? Acton is already too full to take any more full length trains. That means you're either looking at storing and maintaining it at an operational LU depot (and I can't imagine that going down well) or as I said someone buying them for several million and storing them at their own private siding! I thought that there is a 4 car unit of 1962 tube stock at Hainault, even tho' its privately owned? Am I right? If so, could this set a precedent for the A stock? I suppose what is less likely to happen is that they get shipped off to a heritage railway for use as unpowered towed carriages. Reasons would include their not being designed for such use and the issue of powered sliding doors... neither of which affected most of the trains they replaced 50+ years ago. Simon |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 1, 2015 11:27:05 GMT
I suppose what is less likely to happen is that they get shipped off to a heritage railway for use as unpowered towed carriages. Reasons would include their not being designed for such use and the issue of powered sliding doors... neither of which affected most of the trains they replaced 50+ years ago. The Alderney Railway has got round that problem. Air from the locomotive is used to power the doors. |
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Post by a60 on Feb 1, 2015 13:16:40 GMT
Hope the jackpot's big, as you'll need your own private siding to store it as well! Can't see any A stock being retained for heritage operations, purely because there are so many issues to overcome, least of all where would it be stored? Acton is already too full to take any more full length trains. That means you're either looking at storing and maintaining it at an operational LU depot (and I can't imagine that going down well) or as I said someone buying them for several million and storing them at their own private siding! I thought that there is a 4 car unit of 1962 tube stock at Hainault, even tho' its privately owned? Am I right? If so, could this set a precedent for the A stock? I suppose what is less likely to happen is that they get shipped off to a heritage railway for use as unpowered towed carriages. Reasons would include their not being designed for such use and the issue of powered sliding doors... neither of which affected most of the trains they replaced 50+ years ago. Simon Also don't forget the 1960 Stock kept at Northfields. I will play the role of the optimist and say that at least one working unit would be retained, the A Stock did have a following unlike any other stock in recent history (the C Stock for example), no offence to any prjb's present. |
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Post by metman on Feb 1, 2015 22:07:22 GMT
Totally agree that the A stock is a popular stock and if I had the means to help save it I would. Ruislip and or Northfields are both in surface stock gauge so could be used it just needs a little commitment. If personally be devastated it all the working A stock is cut. Looks like there is a year or so to try and arrange something....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 23:55:17 GMT
I'm glad this issue came up on here. Who else remember in the A stock withdrawals thread from 2012 all the talk about one 4 car set being kept as a heritage train? Can't remember who it was but it was somebody who was in the know who said it. Both 5110 and 5234 were to be used as the Met RATs with the Rail Adhesion car being taken out of the set when the train would be used as a heritage train. 5112 at Acton Works acting as a body spare in case anything happaned to 5110 or 5234 so the future looked bright for a full train of A stock to be kept for future generations. Recent talk however, (those on the London Underground & Overground enthusiasts group on Facebook will have seen) seems to suggest they will be scrapped after the Ds take over. Even though I'm sure I remember 5234 had a full mechanical overhaul after being withdrawn from regular passenger service? Please, somebody comfirm what's going on!  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 19:07:32 GMT
How do you go about saving trains from scrapage? It has obviously has been done before. I know the Buckinghamshire railway centre have a CO sand CP stock. Just looked at their web site and now they have a New York subway car! As Quainton road used to be part of the MET it seems the perfect home even though the A never went there,
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Post by geriatrix on Feb 2, 2015 21:00:00 GMT
Talking of saving trains, does anyone know what happened to the T-stock cars that were for sale. I hope there's some way that they can be restored, and maybe the guys planning on renovating the D stock could figure out a way of installing a Ford transit engine and generator under one of the T cars.
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Post by phillw48 on Feb 3, 2015 12:14:12 GMT
Talking of saving trains, does anyone know what happened to the T-stock cars that were for sale. I hope there's some way that they can be restored, and maybe the guys planning on renovating the D stock could figure out a way of installing a Ford transit engine and generator under one of the T cars. They both have a guards/luggage compartment one of which has been converted to a disabled space so there's plenty of space for a generator. The problem is that they no longer have their motors having been converted to hauled stock. |
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Post by motorman on Feb 3, 2015 20:34:34 GMT
Would I be correct in thinking that the 1960 Stock train is owned by the Cravens Group? If that is so and bearing in mind that the A60's were built at Cravens in Sheffield would this group have any plans to add one of the 4-Car A Stocks to its operation?
It would be a great shame to miss the opportunity to keep one of these sets operational. It would provide additional interest to the 38 Stock train and 'Sarah Siddons' excursion held from time to time on the Met Line. In years to come I am sure we would regret that no attempt was made to keep one of these Underground icons running from time to time. The Rickmansworth Canal Festival in May 2013 was a great weekend with both 5110 and the 38 Stock running between Harrow and Amersham.
To take the discussion one stage further would anyone be interested in forming a group with the aim of keeping one of these units running. What would the potential costs be? What difficulties would need to be overcome i.e. secure storage, maintenance, certification to be able to operate and in the future with automatic signalling. Is anyone interested or are there already any groups interested in this.
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Post by superteacher on Feb 3, 2015 20:38:35 GMT
Would be a pity if no A stock trains survived.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 22:12:08 GMT
Would I be correct in thinking that the 1960 Stock train is owned by the Cravens Group? If that is so and bearing in mind that the A60's were built at Cravens in Sheffield would this group have any plans to add one of the 4-Car A Stocks to its operation? It would be a great shame to miss the opportunity to keep one of these sets operational. It would provide additional interest to the 38 Stock train and 'Sarah Siddons' excursion held from time to time on the Met Line. In years to come I am sure we would regret that no attempt was made to keep one of these Underground icons running from time to time. The Rickmansworth Canal Festival in May 2013 was a great weekend with both 5110 and the 38 Stock running between Harrow and Amersham. To take the discussion one stage further would anyone be interested in forming a group with the aim of keeping one of these units running. What would the potential costs be? What difficulties would need to be overcome i.e. secure storage, maintenance, certification to be able to operate and in the future with automatic signalling. Is anyone interested or are there already any groups interested in this. I would be up that. The A stock must not disappear. I did not know these units ran during the canal festival I was there but it's easier to drive to Ricky. |
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