video of met line train skipping wembley park

[A60stock]

Although taken after the timetable change in dec 2011, this a60 stock skips wembley park

does anyone think this may have been done on purpose? It is clearly one of the last remaining a60 trains as its shot in july 2012 and coincedently also skips wembley park. One must have had a spot of brilliant luck to catch this regardless of the reason.

[superteacher]

Sometimes a late running all stations train may run fast from Finchley Road to Harrow in order to make up time,

I remember the days of fast trains running non stop from Finchley Road to Moor Park!

[bassmike]

Looks like you had cabaret as well.

[johnb2]

Apr 8, 2015 14:13:14 GMT superteacher said:

Sometimes a late running all stations train may run fast from Finchley Road to Harrow in order to make up time,

I remember the days of fast trains running non stop from Finchley Road to Moor Park!

So do I I was a regular on the ones that ran Finchley Road - North Harrow in the evenings, and for that matter on the morning NH/FR ones. The drivers really used to push the speeds on those, bouncing over the pointwork at Neasden, Wembley and Harrow

[longhedge]

Apr 8, 2015 21:32:26 GMT johnb2 said:

Apr 8, 2015 14:13:14 GMT superteacher said:

Sometimes a late running all stations train may run fast from Finchley Road to Harrow in order to make up time,

I remember the days of fast trains running non stop from Finchley Road to Moor Park!

So do I I was a regular on the ones that ran Finchley Road - North Harrow in the evenings, and for that matter on the morning NH/FR ones. The drivers really used to push the speeds on those, bouncing over the pointwork at Neasden, Wembley and Harrow

  I remember a long time ago,   I think the late 60s, I made a connection at Finchley Road onto an Amersham train, which was really empty. I did not know it was fast to Moor Park, not even stopping at Harrow-on-the-Hill! We went through that station at around 20 mph. And my - the trains did motor in those days, before the track deteriorated.

[longhedge]

Apr 9, 2015 8:28:46 GMT longhedge said:

Apr 8, 2015 21:32:26 GMT johnb2 said:

So do I I was a regular on the ones that ran Finchley Road - North Harrow in the evenings, and for that matter on the morning NH/FR ones. The drivers really used to push the speeds on those, bouncing over the pointwork at Neasden, Wembley and Harrow

  I remember a long time ago,   I think the late 60s, I made a connection at Finchley Road onto an Amersham train, which was really empty. I did not know it was fast to Moor Park, not even stopping at Harrow-on-the-Hill! We went through that station at around 20 mph. And my - the trains did motor in those days, before the track deteriorated.

 I meant to have said this was on a SATURDAY, around Noon.

[njr001]

I too remember them particularly the announcement at Amersham referring to the them as Fast City Express trains non stopping between Moor Park & Finchley Road. They were also great Northbound in the evening peak as you were more likely to get a seat.

[superteacher]

Apr 9, 2015 8:29:44 GMT longhedge said:

Apr 9, 2015 8:28:46 GMT longhedge said:

  I remember a long time ago,   I think the late 60s, I made a connection at Finchley Road onto an Amersham train, which was really empty. I did not know it was fast to Moor Park, not even stopping at Harrow-on-the-Hill! We went through that station at around 20 mph. And my - the trains did motor in those days, before the track deteriorated.

 I meant to have said this was on a SATURDAY, around Noon.

A far cry from the slow all stations service that's offered now. It wouldn't be so bad if the timetable actually reflected the performance of the trains, but there is so much waiting time it's ridiculous.

I'd love to see a comparison of running times between now and say, the 1960's.

[Tubeboy]

I remember in the early 90s the Chesham through trains ran from Finchley Road to Moor Park non stop.

[A60stock]

out of interest, why was the harrow omission slashed?

I think all they really need to do is increase the acceleration rate of the s8's on the met mainline to that of the s7's, I feel that the met is still suffering from the hangover effects of the a60s performance (slow acceleration and reduced line speeds). I still dont understand why the chilterns cant reach 70mph between harrow and moor park.

at least the hangover effects of the slow starting a60 will finally be gone if the acceleration of the s8's is increased

[superteacher]

Skipping Harrow is probably a case of little gain for more pain! Harrow is probably the busiest station on the Met main, and skipping it for the sake of saving a minute or so for passengers from Moor Park northwards was not an effective use of resources.

I have no idea why the S8's do not have their performance increased, especially considering they work alongside S7's from Baker Street to Aldgate.

[Deleted]

My understanding is they are all capped to match the old trains, once the D stock are gone the cap can be removed but I may be wrong

[superteacher]

Apr 13, 2015 21:46:57 GMT @spinba11 said:

My understanding is they are all capped to match the old trains, once the D stock are gone the cap can be removed but I may be wrong

But the S8's accelerate more slowly than the S7's, or at least it seems that way. Also, the S8's don't interwork with the D stock.

[whistlekiller2000]

Apr 13, 2015 23:07:10 GMT superteacher said:

Apr 13, 2015 21:46:57 GMT @spinba11 said:

My understanding is they are all capped to match the old trains, once the D stock are gone the cap can be removed but I may be wrong

But the S8's accelerate more slowly than the S7's, or at least it seems that way. Also, the S8's don't interwork with the D stock.

I wondered about that and formed the opinion that while S8s don't directly interwork with D78s they interwork with S7s which do, so perhaps this indirect roll on effect has something to do with it.

[domh245]

If you read the timetables, you will note that the running times are all still largely the same as before the introduction of the s stock. It would make sense then that the S8s are derated until we have a timetable recast which makes use of the superior acceleration, which you can only really do once all of the old stock is gone so that you can guarantee the paths.

I think that the reason the S7s accelerate quicker is because they are longer then the C stock (and marginally longer than the D stock) so in order to keep a similar length of time in the station from front carriage at tailwall to last carriage at headwall they will accelerate quicker. It makes sense to me, but I might be wrong.