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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 16:21:05 GMT
I look forward to my easter trip to London. I am going to stay at a hotel just next to Royal Albert DLR with my travel mates. The only problem is that my travel mates have no clue about the DLR and its services. They would look at the Tube Map and think: "Let's take a train from Royal Albert to Bank." They would have no idea that they are no direct trains between the Bank and the Beckton Branch. They would have known that, had they seen the DLR Map, but this map also shows a line between Beckton and Stratford International, and as everybody in here probably knows, there are no such services anymore. I was frustrated that there was no map to tell my travel mates what they will need to know, so I decided to spend my day making up one myself. Here is result:  The map was created with the trial version of E-Draw Max - I am sorry for the watermarks. What do you think? |
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Post by Chris M on Jan 31, 2016 22:35:24 GMT
That does show the typical service routes, although when there is disruption, engineering works or special events the routes change.
Even if you only intend to show the typical routes, I'd extend the Stratford via Bow line as a dashed line to Lewisham with a "morning peak hours only" key.
You also need something to show that Bank->Lewisham trains do not stop at West India Quay.
The colours are also possibly confusing - Bank/Monument is already served by green and yellow lines, and the District, Central and H&C lines are already prominent in east London so I would avoid using green, red or pink at all. I'd swap the blue and yellow lines as the Circle line doesn't get as far as Bow Road so there won't be any confusion with that, and there is nothing blue near Bank or Monument. Black would work for the Stratford-International to Woolwich Arsenal line, meaning purple would be free for Bank-Lewisham. That just leaves Tower Gateway to Beckton, which leaves the Bakerloo or Victoria line colours as not confusing (LO and the Jubilee both interchange with Beckton-Tower Gateway trains) as neither head or are likely to be extended to meet that route.
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Post by melikepie on Jan 31, 2016 22:54:38 GMT
Thanks for drawing this. One small note. I could have sworn that Deptford Bridge was above Deptford High Street south of Greenwich instead of being under the Thames but maybe my London geography is a little rusty.  |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 31, 2016 23:44:27 GMT
Thanks for drawing this. One small note. I could have sworn that Deptford Bridge was above Deptford High Street south of Greenwich instead of being under the Thames but maybe my London geography is a little rusty. Indeed, Deptford Bridge (the actual bridge after which the station is named) carries the A2 (Watling Street) over the Ravensbourne River (and certainly not the Thames, whose lowest crossing until the 1890s was three mils upstream) Its name is an oxymoron as the bridge made redundant the "deep ford" from which the town took its name. I don't know when the first bridge was built, but certainly before 1497 when Cornish rebels marched on London from their camp on Blackheath, but were defeated by Henry VII's army at the "Battle of Deptford Bridge" |
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 1, 2016 18:15:04 GMT
The map is great, a vast improvement over the present version.
DLR management (or TfL) really should do something to show what goes where - even if it was to add colours to the present white middle bit between the twin thin lines used at present.
I thought that there are times when DLR trains from Stratford International go to Beckton - rather than Woolwich Arsenal?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 19:53:48 GMT
I have changed the colours to avoid confusion with the Tube. I have tried to show that southbound Bank-Lewisham trains do not stop at West India Quay, and I have fixed the station names on the Lewisham branch.  All trains on the Beckton branch not terminating at Tower Gateway terminates at Canning Town. Therefore, trains from Beckton to Stratford International are uncommon. However, two such depart from Beckton at respectively 15:19 and 15:39 Monday to Friday. You may also see trains from Stratford International to Gallions Reach (for Beckton Depot) around midnight. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Feb 1, 2016 21:19:54 GMT
The map is great, a vast improvement over the present version. DLR management (or TfL) really should do something to show what goes where - even if it was to add colours to the present white middle bit between the twin thin lines used at present. Manchester Metrolink have (what I believe) to be a novel way of displaying the various routes; clicky. It's a bit of a mess at present as the services (and map) are set up ready for the completion of the "2nd City Crossing", once this is complete the routes that currently terminate either side of the city centre will be connected. |
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Post by melikepie on Feb 1, 2016 21:52:20 GMT
Well, I never knew Pontoon Dock was a major destination (at least not since te Olympics!) and since when did the DLR do a shuttle service to City Airport?
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Post by Chris M on Feb 1, 2016 21:52:59 GMT
All trains on the Beckton branch not terminating at Tower Gateway terminates at Canning Town. Therefore, trains from Beckton to Stratford International are uncommon. However, two such depart from Beckton at respectively 15:19 and 15:39 Monday to Friday. You may also see trains from Stratford International to Gallions Reach (for Beckton Depot) around midnight. You don't need to attempt to show the occasional trains. There are 1 or 2 at the end of the morning peak that run from Lewisham to All Saints (for Poplar depot) and some at the end of the day that run from Lewisham to Gallions Reach* (for Beckton Depot) and at least one from Bank to Gallions Reach in the mid-late evening. *Which proved very handy for someone wandering around outside Island Gardens trying to work out how to get to a hotel near ExCeL a couple of Sundays ago. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 1, 2016 22:32:03 GMT
Manchester Metrolink have (what I believe) to be a novel way of displaying the various routes; clicky. I like the way that when two routes share track, they have consecutive letters. Following this pattern for DLR 1. Bank- Lewisham 2 Stratford - Lewisham 3.Bank- Woolwich 4. Stratford Int - Woolwich 5. Tower- Beckton (6 Stratford- beckton?) Note odds to the City and evens to Stratford. Short and Odd workings don't need special numbers, any more than do the odd positioning moves on the SSL which start as Circles and end as Districts. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 18:01:29 GMT
I seem to remember back in 1991 that there was actually a red route and a green route on the DLR. I don't think this was ever shown on a tube map but could be seen on the DLR network maps inside the trains.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 2, 2016 18:42:32 GMT
yes, back in the very early days Tower Gateway to Island Gardens and Stratford to Island Gardens were shown as two separate colours from pictures I've seen. I don't recall when that changed.
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Post by superteacher on Feb 2, 2016 18:42:54 GMT
I seem to remember back in 1991 that there was actually a red route and a green route on the DLR. I don't think this was ever shown on a tube map but could be seen on the DLR network maps inside the trains. Yes, and blue for the Beckton route. The B92 trains used to show the destination alternating with the route colour. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Feb 2, 2016 19:31:31 GMT
Sheffield Supertram does something similar:   I have just returned from a week on the piste in Alpe d'Huez, running around the town were a couple of free buses. As each was a "circuit" rather than an out and back route, the destination blinds displayed which loop they were running on. Rather than a colour each route was named after a fruit, thus you could catch the Strawberry Bus, the Lemon Bus, the Blueberry Bus or the Apple Bus! Bringing it back on topic, what flavours should the DLR routes be? |
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Post by theblackferret on Feb 2, 2016 21:00:18 GMT
Banana-one of the major London Docks imports when there used to be docks. Including from the Canary Islands, whence ykw got its' name in 1936.
Cherry-Lewisham was once part of the Garden of England ie Kent,so again historical.
Apple-see Cherry, plus it's considered as our national fruit by all other countries.
Coal-Beckton Gasworks was the biggest in the world & guess what they made the coal from? Make that black grape or black stout for a flavour.
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Post by trt on Feb 2, 2016 21:17:41 GMT
Banana-one of the major London Docks imports when there used to be docks. Including from the Canary Islands, whence ykw got its' name in 1936. Cherry-Lewisham was once part of the Garden of England ie Kent,so again historical. Apple-see Cherry, plus it's considered as our national fruit by all other countries. Coal-Beckton Gasworks was the biggest in the world & guess what they made the coal from? Make that black grape or black stout for a flavour. Mm. So if the marketing bods come up with a drink for each line... for the black one you could have Dandelion and Burdock. So, the sugar free version would be the Dandelion and Burdock Docklands Light Railway Lite. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 2, 2016 21:52:47 GMT
Coal-Beckton Gasworks was the biggest in the world & guess what they made the coal from? The only way I know to make coal is to bury cycads for 70 million years or so! It can be used to make town gas, though! Beckton is also famous for Bazalgette's pumping station, so brown might be a suitable colour! Maybe not............ |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 2, 2016 22:02:10 GMT
I seem to remember back in 1991 that there was actually a red route and a green route on the DLR. I don't think this was ever shown on a tube map but could be seen on the DLR network maps inside the trains. Yes, and blue for the Beckton route. The B92 trains used to show the destination alternating with the route colour. I don't know if the toblerones were always intended to be used, or a temporary measure because of late delivery of the destination blinds (for which there was clearly space provided) And here's a 1994 in-car map, shortly after the Beckton extension was opened - through running was not possible at first because the branch was opened with the new signalling system, not compatible with the original one. |
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 2, 2016 22:14:39 GMT
Banana-one of the major London Docks imports when there used to be docks. Including from the Canary Islands, whence ykw got its' name in 1936. Cherry-Lewisham was once part of the Garden of England ie Kent,so again historical. Apple-see Cherry, plus it's considered as our national fruit by all other countries. Coal-Beckton Gasworks was the biggest in the world & guess what they made the coal from? Make that black grape or black stout for a flavour. Good idea... named after fruit. Its good that yellow will be banana - and not lemon! Cherry red, black grapes, green apples and...? Blueberry for blue? Aubergine for purple? If more colours are needed then an Orange would be represent an ideal choice for orange! The only caveat is that the colour blind might feel left out. Therefore the signage would need to show pictograms of the actual fruits. Simon |
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Post by theblackferret on Feb 2, 2016 22:19:00 GMT
Coal-Beckton Gasworks was the biggest in the world & guess what they made the coal from? The only way I know to make coal is to bury cycads for 70 million years or so! It can be used to make town gas, though! Beckton is also famous for Bazalgette's pumping station, so brown might be a suitable colour! Maybe not............ But the brick colour with suitably-decorated windows to mirror the pumping station's window arches would be ideal. NB-Sorry about the slight mistake re coal when I meant gas, but as Man Utd. have scored twice tonight before half-time after 11 consecutive blank first-halves, you may excuse the cock-up, tired and emotional!! |
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 3, 2016 23:48:25 GMT
The only way I know to make coal is to bury cycads for 70 million years or so! It can be used to make town gas, though! Beckton is also famous for Bazalgette's pumping station, so brown might be a suitable colour! Maybe not............ But the brick colour with suitably-decorated windows to mirror the pumping station's window arches would be ideal. NB-Sorry about the slight mistake re coal when I meant gas, but as Man Utd. have scored twice tonight before half-time after 11 consecutive blank first-halves, you may excuse the cock-up, tired and emotional!! Bricks come in many colours. I was going to suggest ochre but that too has many shades, so I'll be more specific... reddish brown. Simon |
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Post by theblackferret on Feb 4, 2016 12:13:39 GMT
But the brick colour with suitably-decorated windows to mirror the pumping station's window arches would be ideal. NB-Sorry about the slight mistake re coal when I meant gas, but as Man Utd. have scored twice tonight before half-time after 11 consecutive blank first-halves, you may excuse the cock-up, tired and emotional!! Bricks come in many colours. I was going to suggest ochre but that too has many shades, so I'll be more specific... reddish brown. Simon Well, here it is, so  you can see. Think the interior décor might be too elaborate to reproduce on a bus. |
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Post by westville13 on Feb 4, 2016 21:28:41 GMT
Apologies for the pedantry but it's strictly speaking Abbey Mills Pumping Station. A terrific photograph - wouldn't the polychrome brickwork make a wonderful moquette for seats on the Beckton line?
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Post by melikepie on Feb 4, 2016 23:19:29 GMT
Coal-Beckton Gasworks was the biggest in the world & guess what they made the coal from? The only way I know to make coal is to bury cycads for 70 million years or so! It can be used to make town gas, though! Beckton is also famous for Bazalgette's pumping station, so brown might be a suitable colour! Maybe not............ I don't think I would want to taste either. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 14:06:52 GMT
I have had a hard time writing my mandatory project assignment 9th form (official translation), but now I am back, and I have been working with my map. I am proud to present version 3, which has zones and small corrections:  |
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Post by theblackferret on Feb 7, 2016 15:03:05 GMT
Apologies for the pedantry but it's strictly speaking Abbey Mills Pumping Station. A terrific photograph - wouldn't the polychrome brickwork make a wonderful moquette for seats on the Beckton line? That's forward thinking, even if it's your rear end that'll be on it! |
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Post by crusty54 on Feb 7, 2016 15:36:45 GMT
This thread illustrates the problem of trying to get too many railway systems on the Tube map.There are not enough colours to do everything.
Better in train diagrams on the DLR trains would help users.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 15:49:03 GMT
This thread illustrates the problem of trying to get too many railway systems on the Tube map.There are not enough colours to do everything. Better in train diagrams on the DLR trains would help users. I have actually thought about converting this map into a more carriage-like map and then send both maps to TfL/DLR, but first of all, I would like your feedback to see if there is anything I could do to make the map even more user-friendly (for example, showing connections with the Tube lines - would that be a good idea, or will the OSIs and the colours make it way too confusing?) |
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Post by crusty54 on Feb 7, 2016 16:51:52 GMT
This thread illustrates the problem of trying to get too many railway systems on the Tube map.There are not enough colours to do everything. Better in train diagrams on the DLR trains would help users. I have actually thought about converting this map into a more carriage-like map and then send both maps to TfL/DLR, but first of all, I would like your feedback to see if there is anything I could do to make the map even more user-friendly (for example, showing connections with the Tube lines - would that be a good idea, or will the OSIs and the colours make it way too confusing?) I happen to know that TfL Marketing have already had diagram layouts produced but high level decision taken not to use them. Lack of understanding of what would help passengers. |
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Post by Chris M on Feb 7, 2016 20:59:56 GMT
The only suggestion that immediately jumps out is that the zone boundary lines would I think be better under the route lines.
Try adding the interchange symbols to see what they look like.
As for colours, the obvious solution is to use the tramlines format but use individual colours instead of white for the centre. I don't know if the program you are using can do that?
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