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Post by snoggle on Sept 8, 2016 15:59:55 GMT
Courtesy of a posting on London Reconnections and someone using FOI there is now detail of the internal layout / seating for each carriage in a class 345 train. Seating PlanIdeally this post would be in the other Crossrail Rolling Stock thread but I can see why the Mods had to lock that discussion. |
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Post by trt on Sept 8, 2016 16:09:16 GMT
I see they have carriages marked as PMS... are they only comfortable three weeks out of every four?
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Post by phoenixcronin on Sept 8, 2016 16:12:23 GMT
I'm not happy with the the all longitudinal seating in the DMS cars. I understand why it's needed in the middle car (the TS) because of the wheelchair space, but I'd rather the rest of the train was consistent with a mix of transverse and longitudinal. My OCD is not pleased
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Sept 8, 2016 16:13:48 GMT
96 out of 454 seats transverse. 21% or thereabouts. What's the comparison with an S8?
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Post by domh245 on Sept 8, 2016 16:54:55 GMT
I see they have carriages marked as PMS... are they only comfortable three weeks out of every four? For those who don't know what it actually stands for, it means it is a Pantograph Motor Standard car. I'm not happy with the the all longitudinal seating in the DMS cars. I understand why it's needed in the middle car (the TS) because of the wheelchair space, but I'd rather the rest of the train was consistent with a mix of transverse and longitudinal. My OCD is not pleased I do wonder why it is those cars in particular that are the fully longitudinal ones. Are most stations on the route entry/exit from the platform ends, so that is where you get a lot of the "must board at first door" people. 96 out of 454 seats transverse. 21% or thereabouts. What's the comparison with an S8? By my guesstimations, a standard S8 car has 22 longitudinal and 16 transverse. The special cars 29 longitudinal and 8 transverse. The driving cars have 24 longitudinal and 16 transverse. Adding that up then you get a total of 194 longitudinal and 112 transverse, so about 36.6% |
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Post by trt on Sept 9, 2016 9:03:27 GMT
I see they have carriages marked as PMS... are they only comfortable three weeks out of every four? For those who don't know what it actually stands for, it means it is a Pantograph Motor Standard car. Ah! It's Pantograph is it?! I thought it was Pickup or Power (for those carriages fitted with shoe gear on third/fourth rail systems for example). You live and learn. Can't say I'm a great fan of longitudinal seating on wider carriage bodies. On the Tube, I've always seen it as being a compromise because of the squidgy profile needed to fit through the deep level tunnels. Where it happens on the wider trains, they turn into cattle trucks when it gets busy e.g. LOROL. |
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Post by crusty54 on Sept 9, 2016 10:53:14 GMT
The all longitudinal seating works well on the North London Line and means people can actually get on the train.
There must have been a temptation to stick with it but consultation showed this was not desirable.
The limited number of transverse seats on the 345 is a compromise for longer distance passengers and groups.
The ability to walk through the trains means you will be able to go looking for a seat.
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Post by Chris M on Sept 9, 2016 11:34:29 GMT
The all longitudinal seating works well on the North London Line and means people can actually get on the train. To see the difference, get on an eastbound NLL train at Highbury in the evening peak and travel to Stratford, observing passengers alighting and boarding en route. Then attempt to board a TfL Rail train towards Gidea Park and, when you finally get on one, do the same. |
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Post by silenthunter on Sept 9, 2016 15:18:37 GMT
I always try to get a transverse seat when I'm on a S8. I hate all longitudinal seating, because you can't get a decent view out of the window.
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