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Post by dmncf on Dec 29, 2016 17:46:56 GMT
I understand from speaking to staff that Victoria Station's new entrance at Cardinal Place/Bressenden Place is due to open any day now. So keep your eyes peeled if you're passing through Victoria.
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Post by londonstuff on Dec 29, 2016 21:06:00 GMT
Yes, it was meant to open today but it's been put back a bit - someone said tomorrow (Friday) but the workers I spoke to today didn't know. Certainly station staff that I've spoken to said it was because evacuation procedures haven't yet been agreed though, as ever, may not be entirely accurate. The Underground totem went up yesterday but was still wrapped up when I went past an hour ago. I still haven't quite worked out where it's going to link to within the station - certainly the general logical direction from the entrance doesn't link to anywhere obvious I can see in either of the two ticket halls, but I'm waiting to be surprised. I live about 90 seconds from the new entrance and it's been like living on a building site for the last five years. With the new Nova building going up, the traffic down to one lane around Victoria, the mainline building itself having work done on it and other distruptive bits and pieces including new electrical cable being laid under roads absolutely everywhere, I won't be unhappy when 2018 comes and it won't be quite so dreadful any more. Victoria new entrance by Michael, on Flickr Victoria new entrance by Michael, on Flickr
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Post by snoggle on Dec 29, 2016 21:59:50 GMT
Yes, it was meant to open today but it's been put back a bit - someone said tomorrow (Friday) but the workers I spoke to today didn't know. Certainly station staff that I've spoken to said it was because evacuation procedures haven't yet been agreed though, as ever, may not be entirely accurate. The Underground totem went up yesterday but is still wrapped up when I went past an hour ago. I still haven't quite worked out where it's going to link to within the station - certainly the general logical direction from the entrance doesn't link to anywhere obvious I can see in either of the two ticket halls, but I'm waiting to be surprised. I live about 90 seconds from the new entrance and it's been like living on a building site for the last five years. With the new Nova building going up, the traffic down to one lane around Victoria, the mainline building itself having work done on it and other distruptive bits and pieces including new electrical cable being laid under roads absolutely everywhere, I won't be unhappy when 2018 comes and it won't be quite so dreadful any more. I saw a tweet from someone who should know saying the opening date is 30 December 2016. The milestone which the DfT are measuring TfL against is 31 December 2016 so I'd expect it to open tomorrow. The last project update in a TfL Quarterly Report showed that TfL were aiming for end December and the status was "green". From my reading of the plans for the enlargement of Victoria I believe this first stage links to the centre of the Victoria line platforms - opposite the escalators to the District and Circle. The Victoria Line should gain step free access from tomorrow but only via the new North Ticket Hall. There should also be one or two hints at lower level as to where future corridor links will connect in. The second stage is a much larger scheme and is obviously a fair way off from completion - Summer 2018.
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Post by rsdworker on Dec 30, 2016 2:59:41 GMT
there is other lift at north end near other escalator shaft to vic line so i think that one will be open as i havenbt looked at updated plan
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Post by londonstuff on Dec 30, 2016 10:05:21 GMT
Nothing new open as of 10am.
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Post by rail2210 on Dec 31, 2016 13:46:44 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Dec 31, 2016 21:26:12 GMT
Yes, it was meant to open today but it's been put back a bit - someone said tomorrow (Friday) but the workers I spoke to today didn't know. Certainly station staff that I've spoken to said it was because evacuation procedures haven't yet been agreed though, as ever, may not be entirely accurate. I'm wondering if the ongoing overtime ban may have affected the usual process of briefing and familiarisation and evacuation procedure for the new parts of the station. If LU normally ask people to work a bit of overtime or they bring in other staff to allow staff to be released for briefing then that might explain why there's been a delay in being able to open the new part of the station. We're certainly being affected by thin staffing numbers and no overtime being worked at the north end of the line - repeated station closures. The locals (on Twitter) are beginning to get very cross about this because they can't travel reliably.
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Post by crusty54 on Jan 1, 2017 15:35:19 GMT
Still not open today
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Post by londonstuff on Jan 2, 2017 13:14:59 GMT
Not open today. Hoarding still up and the roundel still covered in white plastic. <eye roll emoji>
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Post by rsdworker on Jan 2, 2017 17:46:28 GMT
i think someone in TFL should realize a Big mistake telling public
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jan 2, 2017 19:44:24 GMT
i think someone in TFL should realize a Big mistake telling public You're right. All they need to do is say that a new entrance/exit will be there as it becomes available. As people are already using the existing entrances/exits they are not being inconvenienced really. When the new one opens they will be quids in, regardless of whenever that is. We had a similar thread on here about the introduction of S7s on the HC, Circle and District lines being behind schedule. The same thing applied.....no passenger journeys were inconvenienced by their later introduction, which is all that really matters to the travelling public. No big deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 21:47:12 GMT
The D/C stock staying longer was an inconvenience to me as I need a ramp to get on/off, if staff weren't there to help I had to travel a different (much longer) way, any delays to opening the new parts (and lift) at Victoria does inconvenience people like me who can't us the station due to lack of lifs at the station and have to access the tube via a different station
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Post by snoggle on Jan 2, 2017 22:28:01 GMT
i think someone in TFL should realize a Big mistake telling public You're right. All they need to do is say that a new entrance/exit will be there as it becomes available. As people are already using the existing entrances/exits they are not being inconvenienced really. When the new one opens they will be quids in, regardless of whenever that is. We had a similar thread on here about the introduction of S7s on the HC, Circle and District lines being behind schedule. The same thing applied.....no passenger journeys were inconvenienced by their later introduction, which is all that really matters to the travelling public. No big deal. Err not sure I quite agree. It is good that TfL are required to publish information on their projects and progress of them even if it is only in papers to the TfL Board. That is a big step forward from the old days when nothing was published. I take your point that existing entrances are still in use *but* we are in a situation where the project is now slightly late compared to what was agreed with government as an intermediate milestone. Therefore the expected benefits of taking some pressure off the very overloaded main ticket hall are delayed. Worse, in my eyes, is that we have the makings of a credibility problem where TfL's ability to seamlessly deliver projects can be questioned. Given the antipathy of the current Secretary of State towards the Mayor the last thing we need is the SoS being given a "stick" to beat the Mayor with. Obviously it's only a tiny delay at the moment and we must hope the new facility opens shortly in order to minimise any damage.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jan 2, 2017 23:51:58 GMT
You're right. All they need to do is say that a new entrance/exit will be there as it becomes available. As people are already using the existing entrances/exits they are not being inconvenienced really. When the new one opens they will be quids in, regardless of whenever that is. We had a similar thread on here about the introduction of S7s on the HC, Circle and District lines being behind schedule. The same thing applied.....no passenger journeys were inconvenienced by their later introduction, which is all that really matters to the travelling public. No big deal. Err not sure I quite agree. It is good that TfL are required to publish information on their projects and progress of them even if it is only in papers to the TfL Board. That is a big step forward from the old days when nothing was published. I take your point that existing entrances are still in use *but* we are in a situation where the project is now slightly late compared to what was agreed with government as an intermediate milestone. Therefore the expected benefits of taking some pressure off the very overloaded main ticket hall are delayed. Worse, in my eyes, is that we have the makings of a credibility problem where TfL's ability to seamlessly deliver projects can be questioned. Given the antipathy of the current Secretary of State towards the Mayor the last thing we need is the SoS being given a "stick" to beat the Mayor with. Obviously it's only a tiny delay at the moment and we must hope the new facility opens shortly in order to minimise any damage. "Err"? Please no.......you're better than that S. That aside, I think you've answered your own question. If the work had occurred without fanfare there would be no "up in arms" about a delay. If they'd announced a finish of May 2017 we'd all be lauding them in a few days time for finishing early. It's always just an arbitrary and unrealistic finish date which TfL have a habit of putting themselves under unnecessary pressure with. As a simile, the improvements that I've enjoyed due to Windows 10 (considerable in my realm of operation) didn't previously cause me to criticize Windows 7. I just got on with what I had until Windows 10 and my 3rd party software became more or less compatible. The operational inconvenience/obsolescence of Windows 7 only ever existed with the advent of Windows 10 which is why I didn't complain as it still functioned. If TfL just got on with the work under the title of "ongoing improvements" and announced them as finished when ready, we wouldn't all be sitting here gnashing our teeth about it.
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Post by Chris M on Jan 3, 2017 8:15:28 GMT
The D/C stock staying longer was an inconvenience to me as I need a ramp to get on/off, if staff weren't there to help I had to travel a different (much longer) way, any delays to opening the new parts (and lift) at Victoria does inconvenience people like me who can't us the station due to lack of lifs at the station and have to access the tube via a different station whistlekiller2000's point was while the new trains/developments bring conveniences that are not currently available and open up new journey opportunities you are not inconvenienced relative to how things were before as there has been no change. You could not use Victoria station previously, you still cannot, therefore you have not suffered extra inconvenience because nothing has changed. This is different to e.g. lifts at failing at Westminster, as you normally can use that station but would have to change your normal journey. Obviously getting these projects completed as soon as possible is a Good Thing for everybody but the continuation of the status quo if they are delayed is not making things worse, it's just not making things better.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 3, 2017 8:17:13 GMT
the improvements that I've enjoyed due to Windows 10 (considerable in my realm of operation) . Not my experience, nor anyone else who has had Windows 10 inflicted on them. I'd pay good money to have Windows 7 back.
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Post by crusty54 on Jan 3, 2017 9:25:04 GMT
Could it be waiting for the Mayor to open it?
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Post by londoner on Jan 3, 2017 19:43:42 GMT
I went to Victoria the other day and got lost for a bit! So much building work in the area.
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Post by North End on Jan 3, 2017 21:29:55 GMT
the improvements that I've enjoyed due to Windows 10 (considerable in my realm of operation) . Not my experience, nor anyone else who has had Windows 10 inflicted on them. I'd pay good money to have Windows 7 back. Is the general feeling that Windows 10 is inferior? Currently I have a laptop running Windows 7, a desktop operating Windows 8, and a laptop operating Windows 10. My experience with the latter led me to decline the opportunity to upgrade the desktop. So far I've found Windows 8 to be rather very stable, I don't think the computer has ever frozen up in 2.5 years. The Windows 10 laptop meanwhile seems poor, despite being a quite powerful machine which so far hasn't had too much loaded onto it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 21:45:23 GMT
Alright ladies and gents, let's not get too far off-topic here, please.
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Post by class411 on Jan 4, 2017 16:14:26 GMT
To avoid this thread going off track, I've created this thread for Windows 10 discussions.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 13, 2017 12:59:21 GMT
Tom Edwards of BBC London reporting the new ticket hall opens on Monday morning. Conveniently I just happen to have to go to Victoria on Monday morning so my camera will be accompanying me.
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Post by rsdworker on Jan 13, 2017 13:43:47 GMT
i notice the ticket machines are white fronted - the older designs was black fronts or sliver fronts
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Post by MoreToJack on Jan 13, 2017 16:28:53 GMT
i notice the ticket machines are white fronted - the older designs was black fronts or sliver fronts It's a vinyl sticker; it's been rolled out to numerous stations and lasts about a week before starting to look ridiculous.
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Post by crusty54 on Jan 13, 2017 16:55:04 GMT
i notice the ticket machines are white fronted - the older designs was black fronts or sliver fronts It's a vinyl sticker; it's been rolled out to numerous stations and lasts about a week before starting to look ridiculous. new design of machine - note the sloping section
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Post by MoreToJack on Jan 13, 2017 21:07:14 GMT
Nope. Same old machines that have been bashed about with since the 1980s.
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Post by londonstuff on Jan 16, 2017 7:53:22 GMT
Tom Edwards of BBC London reporting the new ticket hall opens on Monday morning.
Without annoying, Whistlekiller or repeating myself, it's still not open. It does look as though it's ready to open now, at least.
Almost open by Michael, on Flickr
Almost open by Michael, on Flickr
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Post by snoggle on Jan 16, 2017 9:03:33 GMT
Tom Edwards of BBC London reporting the new ticket hall opens on Monday morning.
Without annoying, Whistlekiller or repeating myself, it's still not open. It does look as though it's ready to open now, at least.
My understanding is it opens after this morning's peak period - possibly after a Mayoral visit. Typically the service on the Vic Line has collapsed in a heap due to a signal failure at Euston.
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Post by londonstuff on Jan 16, 2017 12:44:11 GMT
Well, it's here and open and accompanied by a massive Vic line failure, as Snoggle says. The full pics are here: www.flickr.com/photos/londonstuff/albums/72157675560734533 but there's a summary below. It feels like a cross between KX and Blackfriars, with sections still very obviously closed off due to the ongoing work. The entrance is also strange as you need to go behind a protruding glass building from Victoria Street to get inside. This is fine but once in the ticket hall you have to turn right to get to the gateline anyway, so it would have made more sense to have the entrance facing the street. Finally by Michael, on Flickr Ticket area: New Victoria entrance. by Michael, on Flickr Escalator down: New Victoria entrance. by Michael, on Flickr New Victoria entrance. by Michael, on Flickr Escalator up: New Victoria entrance. by Michael, on Flickr Corridors in that horrible dirty cream: New Victoria entrance. by Michael, on Flickr Looks wonky because of the gradient: New Victoria entrance. by Michael, on Flickr Second escalator: New Victoria entrance. by Michael, on Flickr Old meets new: New Victoria entrance. by Michael, on Flickr New Victoria entrance. by Michael, on Flickr Whooooooooooops: New Victoria entrance. by Michael, on Flickr
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Post by stapler on Jan 16, 2017 12:57:01 GMT
Now all the trains go to Walthamstow, why has the directional sign at the new platform entrance been altered to Oxford Circus, Euston and K+?
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