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Post by superteacher on Jan 29, 2017 8:09:36 GMT
When Crossrail is fully open, where will the drivers be based? And will they be signed off for the whole route?
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jan 29, 2017 9:00:27 GMT
The depots will be Old Oak Common and Ilford with trains also stabling at Gidea Park, Plumstead, Maidenhead and Shenfield.
Why wouldn't they be signed off for the whole route? The total line length is going to be about 73 miles, that's hardly extensive as mainline routes go. Reading to Shenfield is going to be a 1 hour 42 minute journey according to the journey time calculator on the Crossrail website so you could just about fit two Ilford - Shenfield - Reading - Ilford "rounders" into an eight hour shift
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Post by superteacher on Jan 29, 2017 9:18:33 GMT
The depots will be Old Oak Common and Ilford with trains also stabling at Gidea Park, Plumstead, Maidenhead and Shenfield. Why wouldn't they be signed off for the whole route? The total line length is going to be about 73 miles, that's hardly extensive as mainline routes go. Reading to Shenfield is going to be a 1 hour 42 minute journey according to the journey time calculator on the Crossrail website so you could just about fit two Ilford - Shenfield - Reading - Ilford "rounders" into an eight hour shift So you think a driver based at ilford would be signed off for the Abbey Wood branch? |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jan 29, 2017 9:44:32 GMT
Why not? Say services were suspended on the Shenfield branch for a problem at Stratford, an Ilford driver at Whitechapel eastbound either has to tip out there, change ends and go back to Old Oak Common, delaying the service or they could take the train to the terminus point at Abbey Wood which also means passengers could change at Canary Wharf for DLR and Jubilee.
As a Leytonstone driver I don't have any duties that require me to go into White City sidings or Ruislip depot but I'm signed off on them because conceivably I could be required to drive there.
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Post by peterc on Jan 29, 2017 9:51:30 GMT
Why not? It all depends on how much value the operator places on flexibility and resilience against training costs.
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Post by redbond on Jan 29, 2017 11:00:01 GMT
When Crossrail is fully open, where will the drivers be based? And will they be signed off for the whole route? Remember this is a National Rail service, not a tube line. Intercity drivers and freight drivers have a very large route card, there's no reason that Crossrail drivers couldn't sign the entire route. With the core tunnel section being ATO, it would be benficial for drivers to sign the entire route. |
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Post by crusty54 on Jan 30, 2017 13:05:50 GMT
At present MTR Crossrail drivers take over trains at stations away from the train crew depots. Have seen this happen at Seven Kings.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jan 30, 2017 14:32:32 GMT
At present MTR Crossrail drivers take over trains at stations away from the train crew depots. Have seen this happen at Seven Kings. The entrance to Ilford depot is in Aldborough Road, about 5 minutes walk from Seven Kings station |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 30, 2017 17:57:55 GMT
I agree with the view that drivers will know the entire route. Although we know the proposed timetable operates in two groups (Shenfield - Reading / Abbey Wood - Heathrow) we also know that there will be exceptions to these core service patterns for early, peak shoulder and late journeys. It also seems somewhat perverse to build in on day one some sort of restricted knowledge / practice which would harm things like service recovery, crew management, handling of any industrial disputes, engineering works, incident management, having a motivated staff with comprehensive knowledge to their job etc etc. I'd hope TfL and MTR Crossrail are aiming for a flexible approach from their staff to the benefit of everyone who works for Crossrail and who will use it.
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Post by North End on Jan 31, 2017 9:23:17 GMT
The depots will be Old Oak Common and Ilford with trains also stabling at Gidea Park, Plumstead, Maidenhead and Shenfield. Why wouldn't they be signed off for the whole route? The total line length is going to be about 73 miles, that's hardly extensive as mainline routes go. Reading to Shenfield is going to be a 1 hour 42 minute journey according to the journey time calculator on the Crossrail website so you could just about fit two Ilford - Shenfield - Reading - Ilford "rounders" into an eight hour shift So you think a driver based at ilford would be signed off for the Abbey Wood branch? I would be very surprised if the answer is no. If there is a problem on the Shenfield route the ability to divert trains will be almost essential. Otherwise the whole railway is shut down. |
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Post by roythebus on Jan 31, 2017 10:57:36 GMT
Why should there be a problem? It's state-of-the-art technology and everything works perfectly. In theory...
When a driver signs a route, he/she has to sign that they have the knowledge of all the sidings, junctions, depots, shunt moves, the lot. You never know when things will go wrong and you have an unscheduled move to make. The onus is always on the driver.
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