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Post by lt on Aug 10, 2017 18:36:56 GMT
Been using this station for a while now and have noticed the eastbound 'next train' display, doesn't show the next train until it's almost in the platform, and no info about subsequent trains. Does anyone know if this is due to the two lines merging at that point or some other reason?
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Post by superteacher on Aug 10, 2017 18:40:52 GMT
Been using this station for a while now and have noticed the eastbound 'next train' display, doesn't show the next train until it's almost in the platform, and no info about subsequent trains. Does anyone know if this is due to the two lines merging at that point or some other reason? Yes that's pretty much the reason. Things will improve when the area is resignalled. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 3:22:27 GMT
The sign won't light up until the programme machine makes its mind up of which route is given first.
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 11, 2017 22:29:30 GMT
LOL, when I first saw this thread title my immediate thought turned to whether the historic District Railway indicator on the westbound District Line platform will ever work again.
As for eastbound, of course for many passengers it will not matter as nowadays all trains call at all stations and go as far as Tower Hill. Its only people travelling beyond that who need think about the ultimate destination.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 13:35:07 GMT
The DMI at this station now shows next few ttrains along with Annoucments too.
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Post by 35b on Oct 19, 2017 14:08:33 GMT
LOL, when I first saw this thread title my immediate thought turned to whether the historic District Railway indicator on the westbound District Line platform will ever work again. As for eastbound, of course for many passengers it will not matter as nowadays all trains call at all stations and go as far as Tower Hill. Its only people travelling beyond that who need think about the ultimate destination. Simon Eastbound also matters for knowing just how crowded the next train will be. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 14:15:49 GMT
Trouble with that E/B one is that it’s pretty unreliable as it won’t show until the route has been set for the junction and if the signaller changes it’s mind then you have wrong descriptions
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 14:20:49 GMT
Yeah but the annoucments are only played when the route has been said any how
So its ok, no wrong info is given.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 14:23:41 GMT
Yeah but the annoucments are only played when the route has been said any how So its ok, no wrong info is given. Not yet it hasn’t give it time |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 13:03:56 GMT
Spent 30 mins at Gloucester Road,the announcements are on,
"The train to Tower Hill will arrive in 1 min" etc for Upminister, Barking etc, Ealing Bdy, Richmond, Wimbledon,
"The next Circle Line train via Victoria will arrive in 2 mins" the next Circle Line triain via High Street Kensington will arrive in 2 mins"
But for the District Line, it wont say District Line, it just says where the train is going rather then District Line, the next train to Tower Hill etc
Also they are not announcing the train now approaching please stand back from the platform edge etc
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Post by MoreToJack on Oct 20, 2017 13:24:43 GMT
Spent 30 mins at Gloucester Road,the announcements are on, "The train to Tower Hill will arrive in 1 min" etc for Upminister, Barking etc, Ealing Bdy, Richmond, Wimbledon, "The next Circle Line train via Victoria will arrive in 2 mins" the next Circle Line triain via High Street Kensington will arrive in 2 mins" But for the District Line, it wont say District Line, it just says where the train is going rather then District Line, the next train to Tower Hill etc Also they are not announcing the train now approaching please stand back from the platform edge etc The system doesn't have this information, as it's based off the legacy Train Describers. 'Circle via Victoria/Circle via HSK' are TDs in their own right, and used by the programme machines and signalling systems all around the network, passed from one to the next to ensure correct train routing. However, line information isn't contained for District destinations - just the final destination. Arguably, this is the more important context anyway, and can avoid confusion if a Circle is being short tripped for any reason (admittedly rare on the south side, but it still happens). On other lines it is easier to include the line name as all trains will be on that line - it is also something that could come once the new automated signalling system enters service. Many (myself included) would say that a reduction in announcements is a good thing - it's still possible to have a modern and accessible network with far less waffle. |
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Post by John Tuthill on Oct 20, 2017 14:48:54 GMT
Spent 30 mins at Gloucester Road,the announcements are on, "The train to Tower Hill will arrive in 1 min" etc for Upminister, Barking etc, Ealing Bdy, Richmond, Wimbledon, "The next Circle Line train via Victoria will arrive in 2 mins" the next Circle Line triain via High Street Kensington will arrive in 2 mins" But for the District Line, it wont say District Line, it just says where the train is going rather then District Line, the next train to Tower Hill etc Also they are not announcing the train now approaching please stand back from the platform edge etc The system doesn't have this information, as it's based off the legacy Train Describers. 'Circle via Victoria/Circle via HSK' are TDs in their own right, and used by the programme machines and signalling systems all around the network, passed from one to the next to ensure correct train routing. However, line information isn't contained for District destinations - just the final destination. Arguably, this is the more important context anyway, and can avoid confusion if a Circle is being short tripped for any reason (admittedly rare on the south side, but it still happens). On other lines it is easier to include the line name as all trains will be on that line - it is also something that could come once the new automated signalling system enters service. Many (myself included) would say that a reduction in announcements is a good thing - it's still possible to have a modern and accessible network with far less waffle. Couldn't agree more. I recently met some friends in Twickenham, "This is a 281 to Hounslow" At every single stop,I could scream sometimes. On the return journey-total silence.The displays were working though. Sheer bliss  |
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Post by MoreToJack on Oct 20, 2017 15:02:55 GMT
The system doesn't have this information, as it's based off the legacy Train Describers. 'Circle via Victoria/Circle via HSK' are TDs in their own right, and used by the programme machines and signalling systems all around the network, passed from one to the next to ensure correct train routing. However, line information isn't contained for District destinations - just the final destination. Arguably, this is the more important context anyway, and can avoid confusion if a Circle is being short tripped for any reason (admittedly rare on the south side, but it still happens). On other lines it is easier to include the line name as all trains will be on that line - it is also something that could come once the new automated signalling system enters service. Many (myself included) would say that a reduction in announcements is a good thing - it's still possible to have a modern and accessible network with far less waffle. Couldn't agree more. I recently met some friends in Twickenham, "This is a 281 to Hounslow" At every single stop,I could scream sometimes. On the return journey-total silence.The displays were working though. Sheer bliss At risk of dragging this off topic... (naughty Jack) no announcements at all goes too far the other way. It has to get across the key information for those who are visually impaired but doesn't need seem like a constant stream - it's something the new Crossrail units get right and, most of the time, so does iBus. Anyway, back to Gloucester Road... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 15:16:01 GMT
Look at the front of the train or even the side of the train for his destination far more accurate then any describer at present
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Post by MoreToJack on Oct 20, 2017 15:21:37 GMT
Look at the front of the train or even the side of the train for his destination far more accurate then any describer at present Well... not always! |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 20, 2017 15:45:27 GMT
not giving an excuse but purely a possible explanation; "Barking H&C from Hammersmith" code 453 "Ruislip MET semi-fast from Aldgate" code 45 |
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Post by MoreToJack on Oct 20, 2017 15:52:45 GMT
Yeah, it's exactly that! For the benefit of those who haven't had the pleasure of using an S stock TCMS - it's slow. Ridiculously slow. Slow like your computer from 1992, and then slower still. If you're a bit too quick entering the destination code when logging in you can miss the last digit, resulting in the above picture.
Once the train works out where it is an incorrect PIS code will flag up an 'off route' error message (I forget the exact wording), providing the train operator to adjust accordingly. If they were to keep running the interior displays and announcements will remain off until the train is back 'on route'.
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Post by brigham on Oct 20, 2017 16:43:43 GMT
LOL, when I first saw this thread title my immediate thought turned to whether the historic District Railway indicator on the westbound District Line platform will ever work again.... Simon Is this indicator out of order? That's not good enough! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 16:59:48 GMT
It’s been permanently disconnected
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Post by piccboy on Oct 20, 2017 17:11:27 GMT
Yeah, it's exactly that! For the benefit of those who haven't had the pleasure of using an S stock TCMS - it's slow. Ridiculously slow. Slow like your computer from 1992, and then slower still. If you're a bit too quick entering the destination code when logging in you can miss the last digit, resulting in the above picture. Once the train works out where it is an incorrect PIS code will flag up an 'off route' error message (I forget the exact wording), providing the train operator to adjust accordingly. If they were to keep running the interior displays and announcements will remain off until the train is back 'on route'. TCMS does suffer with some problems with slowness especially after you just liven up the train. A bad train came sometimes be fixed by tripping and resetting the TCMS2 mcb in the effected cab (TCMS Train Control Management system. MCB Miniature Circuit Breaker). |
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Post by goldenarrow on Oct 20, 2017 17:51:45 GMT
I was about to say that was more likely to occur as it's a terminus location, but then I remembered this video... Video by X2K9 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 20:55:10 GMT
Spent 30 mins at Gloucester Road,the announcements are on, "The train to Tower Hill will arrive in 1 min" etc for Upminister, Barking etc, Ealing Bdy, Richmond, Wimbledon, "The next Circle Line train via Victoria will arrive in 2 mins" the next Circle Line triain via High Street Kensington will arrive in 2 mins" But for the District Line, it wont say District Line, it just says where the train is going rather then District Line, the next train to Tower Hill etc Also they are not announcing the train now approaching please stand back from the platform edge etc The system doesn't have this information, as it's based off the legacy Train Describers. 'Circle via Victoria/Circle via HSK' are TDs in their own right, and used by the programme machines and signalling systems all around the network, passed from one to the next to ensure correct train routing. However, line information isn't contained for District destinations - just the final destination. Arguably, this is the more important context anyway, and can avoid confusion if a Circle is being short tripped for any reason (admittedly rare on the south side, but it still happens). On other lines it is easier to include the line name as all trains will be on that line - it is also something that could come once the new automated signalling system enters service. Many (myself included) would say that a reduction in announcements is a good thing - it's still possible to have a modern and accessible network with far less waffle. Westminster has said announced both since 2009, although it used to say Platform 1/2 Train now approaching to so and so or to Circle Line via such and such now says the Line names |
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