Service Status 10/12/17

[superteacher]

From the TFL website:

Metropolitan Line: No service Wembley Park to Amersham/Chesham/Watford and Uxbridge due to power supply problems caused by snow ALSO no service Wembley Park to Aldgate due to planned engineering work. London Underground tickets will be accepted on local bus services.

Surely that’s the whole line then!

[Deleted]

Stalled train at Ruislip Manor due to dual ACM failure
Fallen tree at Chalfont and Latimer
Point failure at Harrow On Hill and Northwood and Uxbridge

[Deleted]

Yep just spoke to my colleague and it's totally suspended, sleet trains were run overnight, deicers are showing their blue lights. During the handover one train was stalled at Ruislip Manor but as I was leaving it was to move again, I guess it probably wasn't now

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Dec 10, 2017 9:09:28 GMT @somerhimpson said:

Yep just spoke to my colleague and it's totally suspended, sleet trains were run overnight, deicers are showing their blue lights. During the handover one train was stalled at Ruislip Manor but as I was leaving it was to move again, I guess it probably wasn't now

Been stuck at Eastcote for atleast 15mins

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Dec 10, 2017 9:21:12 GMT @aetearlscourt said:

Dec 10, 2017 9:09:28 GMT @somerhimpson said:

Yep just spoke to my colleague and it's totally suspended, sleet trains were run overnight, deicers are showing their blue lights. During the handover one train was stalled at Ruislip Manor but as I was leaving it was to move again, I guess it probably wasn't now

Been stuck at Eastcote for atleast 15mins

Is that W/b or E/b? Also which points are failing at Uxbridge?

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E/B
29 points at Uxbridge

[Chris M]

Dec 10, 2017 9:08:45 GMT @aetearlscourt said:

Stalled train at Ruislip Manor due to dual ACM failure

ACM?

[londoner]

All routes in my area are suspended. Bakerloo line says good service whilst Overground has severe delays on Watford DC line. I smell bull there...Pic and Met is out in my parts. No reliable bus service to Central line stations either. Good luck to those needing to travel today!

[robv]

Dec 10, 2017 11:31:54 GMT Chris M said:

Dec 10, 2017 9:08:45 GMT @aetearlscourt said:

Stalled train at Ruislip Manor due to dual ACM failure

ACM?

Second the questioning of this as never seen that shortening before

[domh245]

I think it may stand for Auxiliary Converter Module (which is S stock specific). I want to say that it fulfils a similar purpose to Motor Alternators on older units.

[rincew1nd]

Dec 10, 2017 11:31:54 GMT Chris M said:

Dec 10, 2017 9:08:45 GMT @aetearlscourt said:

Stalled train at Ruislip Manor due to dual ACM failure

ACM?

Actual Control Machine. These were installed at the front of each train in 2037 and provides actual control to the train; instructions when to start, stop and so on. Previously known as a "train operator".

[North End]

Dec 10, 2017 11:40:20 GMT londoner said:

All routes in my area are suspended. Bakerloo line says good service whilst Overground has severe delays on Watford DC line. I smell bull there...Pic and Met is out in my parts. No reliable bus service to Central line stations either. Good luck to those needing to travel today!

Northern Line now running special timetable.

Barnet branch was screwed up thanks to TBTC. Train went non-communicating approaching East Finchley s/b, managed to stop with cars 1 and 6 off current (either due to ice on current rails or simply stopped over rail gaps), train went into loadshed, but was able to be got moving once manager arrived. The length of the sitdown was enough to set off a domino effect and a whole load of minor things then cropped up.

Absolutely no preparation for anything anywhere - not a good reflection on the current LU senior management as this wouldn't have happened even 5 years ago. Confirms the general feeling at the moment that LU is a sinking ship drifting aimlessly in the sea. Just as well it's Sunday...

[t697]

Dec 10, 2017 12:10:47 GMT domh245 said:

I think it may stand for Auxiliary Converter Module (which is S stock specific). I want to say that it fulfils a similar purpose to Motor Alternators on older units.

Absolutely correct.

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Sorry thought it was mentioned before my bad

[Tomcakes]

Dec 10, 2017 12:49:45 GMT North End said:

Dec 10, 2017 11:40:20 GMT londoner said:

All routes in my area are suspended. Bakerloo line says good service whilst Overground has severe delays on Watford DC line. I smell bull there...Pic and Met is out in my parts. No reliable bus service to Central line stations either. Good luck to those needing to travel today!

Northern Line now running special timetable.

Barnet branch was screwed up thanks to TBTC. Train went non-communicating approaching East Finchley s/b, managed to stop with cars 1 and 6 off current (either due to ice on current rails or simply stopped over rail gaps), train went into loadshed, but was able to be got moving once manager arrived. The length of the sitdown was enough to set off a domino effect and a whole load of minor things then cropped up.

Absolutely no preparation for anything anywhere - not a good reflection on the current LU senior management as this wouldn't have happened even 5 years ago. Confirms the general feeling at the moment that LU is a sinking ship drifting aimlessly in the sea. Just as well it's Sunday...

There was a short while where LUL staff were advising people to catch buses instead, simultaneously buses were terminating and advising people to use the tube instead!

[John Tuthill]

Dec 10, 2017 12:49:45 GMT North End said:

Dec 10, 2017 11:40:20 GMT londoner said:

All routes in my area are suspended. Bakerloo line says good service whilst Overground has severe delays on Watford DC line. I smell bull there...Pic and Met is out in my parts. No reliable bus service to Central line stations either. Good luck to those needing to travel today!

Northern Line now running special timetable.

Barnet branch was screwed up thanks to TBTC. Train went non-communicating approaching East Finchley s/b, managed to stop with cars 1 and 6 off current (either due to ice on current rails or simply stopped over rail gaps), train went into loadshed, but was able to be got moving once manager arrived. The length of the sitdown was enough to set off a domino effect and a whole load of minor things then cropped up.

Absolutely no preparation for anything anywhere - not a good reflection on the current LU senior management as this wouldn't have happened even 5 years ago. Confirms the general feeling at the moment that LU is a sinking ship drifting aimlessly in the sea. Just as well it's Sunday...

Shouldn't make any difference. The snow was well forcasted by the Met. Office. Obviously no ex boy scouts in the management! Probably too busy trying to work out the complexity of running a bath

[Deleted]

Dec 10, 2017 9:43:25 GMT @aetearlscourt said:

E/B
29 points at Uxbridge

Mmm... 29 pts were throwing ok overnight and i had 2 trains go over them once the service started

[goldenarrow]

Service getting closer to normality, still no through City service or on the Chesham branch. Is the early closure between Wembley and Aldgate after 8:30PM still set to go ahead?

[metrailway]

I believe about 7 inches of snow fell in the Chilterns today. Not just the Met having problems; most trains on the Chiltern line via High Wycombe were cancelled and the A41 has been closed most of the day.

[Chris M]

Dec 10, 2017 19:03:28 GMT goldenarrow said:

Service getting closer to normality, still no through City service or on the Chesham branch. Is the early closure between Wembley and Aldgate after 8:30PM still set to go ahead?

I believe that there was a planned closure of the Met south of Wembley Park all day today, independent of the snow.

[rincew1nd]

Dec 10, 2017 19:43:52 GMT Chris M said:

Dec 10, 2017 19:03:28 GMT goldenarrow said:

Service getting closer to normality, still no through City service or on the Chesham branch. Is the early closure between Wembley and Aldgate after 8:30PM still set to go ahead?

I believe that there was a planned closure of the Met south of Wembley Park all day today, independent of the snow.

The opening post of this thread reads:

Dec 10, 2017 9:02:26 GMT superteacher said:

From the TFL website:

Metropolitan Line: No service Wembley Park to Amersham/Chesham/Watford and Uxbridge due to power supply problems caused by snow ALSO no service Wembley Park to Aldgate due to planned engineering work. London Underground tickets will be accepted on local bus services.

No further comment necessary!

[North End]

Dec 10, 2017 19:48:31 GMT rincew1nd said:

Dec 10, 2017 19:43:52 GMT Chris M said:

I believe that there was a planned closure of the Met south of Wembley Park all day today, independent of the snow.

The opening post of this thread reads:

Dec 10, 2017 9:02:26 GMT superteacher said:

From the TFL website:

Metropolitan Line: No service Wembley Park to Amersham/Chesham/Watford and Uxbridge due to power supply problems caused by snow ALSO no service Wembley Park to Aldgate due to planned engineering work. London Underground tickets will be accepted on local bus services.

No further comment necessary!

I love the way it’s all down to power supply problems. Some PR spin there. The level of preparation was woeful.

Some pretty ungrateful punters out today too, the typical weekend types who expect everything to be organised round their every need and then a tantrum when something isn’t to their liking. A lot of staff made a lot of effort to get in to work today, often in dangerous conditions, to provide some sort of service. It’s always rather satisfying to see the look on these self-important types faces when they are told to fend for themselves and find their own way to travel. They can see what’s going on, yet expect everything to be normal.

[rincew1nd]

Dec 10, 2017 19:55:27 GMT North End said:

Dec 10, 2017 19:48:31 GMT rincew1nd said:

The opening post of this thread reads:No further comment necessary!

Some pretty ungrateful punters out today too, the typical weekend types who expect everything to be organised round their every need and then a tantrum when something isn’t to their liking.

Two inches of snow in the north and the Pacer still bounces along. Two centimetres of slush in central London and the transport network dies.

Dec 10, 2017 19:55:27 GMT North End said:

The level of preparation was woeful.

I quite agree, 15hours before I'm due to start work tomorrow I received an SMS from my work reminding me of the forecast and to allow extra time for my journey to work.

[North End]

Dec 10, 2017 20:11:15 GMT rincew1nd said:

Dec 10, 2017 19:55:27 GMT North End said:

Some pretty ungrateful punters out today too, the typical weekend types who expect everything to be organised round their every need and then a tantrum when something isn’t to their liking.

Two inches of snow in the north and the Pacer still bounces along. Two centimetres of slush in central London and the transport network dies.

Dec 10, 2017 19:55:27 GMT North End said:

The level of preparation was woeful.

I quite agree, 15hours before I'm due to start work tomorrow I received an SMS from my work reminding me of the forecast and to allow extra time for my journey to work.

To be honest, given the attitude of some punters today, I’d have been quite happy just to see the whole system closed down. Christmas shopping isn’t an essential journey...

On the plus side, I’ve finally found something positive about night tube, in that it provides a service of sleet trains. A very expensive way of doing it though!

[Deleted]

Dec 10, 2017 17:26:11 GMT @somerhimpson said:

Dec 10, 2017 9:43:25 GMT @aetearlscourt said:

E/B
29 points at Uxbridge

Mmm... 29 pts were throwing ok overnight and i had 2 trains go over them once the service started

Thats what was said at work obviously don't work on the Met so can not comment any further

[superteacher]

Quite appalling that the disruption has lasted all day. We’ve had worse conditions then this before with less disruption.

[North End]

Dec 10, 2017 22:10:11 GMT superteacher said:

Quite appalling that the disruption has lasted all day. We’ve had worse conditions then this before with less disruption.

Depends. Whilst the Northern had two or three hours of utter carnage, once the special service was established the line behaved itself. With a special service once it’s in there are only two opportunities to take it out - when the late turns book on, or at close of traffic.

There will always be issues with crewing arrangements, especially if roads are disrupted or gridlocked. Please don’t see this as an advert for driverless trains, as it’s days like today when well trained staff prove their worth and earn their money.

What could and should have been better was contingency arrangements. De-icing of premises, response staff on standby in strategic locations (overtime offered), assets like point heaters checked in the days leading up, trains topped up with de icing fluid, etc. It seems pretty much nothing was done.

One also has to consider the general deskilling of staff across the combine. Many trains managers aren’t trained on rolling stock now, and LU seems to like the idea of “generalists”. For example, a manager doesn’t need to be trained on rolling stock as a car examiner will be sent to an incident and the driver should know their stock. In real life this just doesn’t hold true. No chance of getting a train tech out to the sticks, and whilst they may know a bit about the trains, they don’t know the full picture especially things like how the train may interface with signalling. Real life also shows wide variability in the competence of train operators in dealing with issues - some are superb but many are not, especially on lines where the trains don’t go wrong often.

I think with the current lost-ship-floating-aimlessly-in-the-sea mentality of LU we are sadly going to see a lot more of this.

[John Tuthill]

Dec 10, 2017 22:32:54 GMT North End said:

Dec 10, 2017 22:10:11 GMT superteacher said:

Quite appalling that the disruption has lasted all day. We’ve had worse conditions then this before with less disruption.

Depends. Whilst the Northern had two or three hours of utter carnage, once the special service was established the line behaved itself. With a special service once it’s in there are only two opportunities to take it out - when the late turns book on, or at close of traffic.

There will always be issues with crewing arrangements, especially if roads are disrupted or gridlocked. Please don’t see this as an advert for driverless trains, as it’s days like today when well trained staff prove their worth and earn their money.

What could and should have been better was contingency arrangements. De-icing of premises, response staff on standby in strategic locations (overtime offered), assets like point heaters checked in the days leading up, trains topped up with de icing fluid, etc. It seems pretty much nothing was done.

One also has to consider the general deskilling of staff across the combine. Many trains managers aren’t trained on rolling stock now, and LU seems to like the idea of “generalists”. For example, a manager doesn’t need to be trained on rolling stock as a car examiner will be sent to an incident and the driver should know their stock. In real life this just doesn’t hold true. No chance of getting a train tech out to the sticks, and whilst they may know a bit about the trains, they don’t know the full picture especially things like how the train may interface with signalling. Real life also shows wide variability in the competence of train operators in dealing with issues - some are superb but many are not, especially on lines where the trains don’t go wrong often.

I think with the current lost-ship-floating-aimlessly-in-the-sea mentality of LU we are sadly going to see a lot more of this.

And that my son is progress(God help us all)

[norbitonflyer]

Just seen on the News that the M25 was blocked earlier today because it hadn't been gritted, so it seems LU were not the only ones caught on the hop. I didn't see a forecast last night though - was any snow forecast this far south?

[cso]

I believe it was predicted this far south. The M40 didn’t appear to be done either... but I did like this sign earlier: www.cso.me.uk/images/M40snow.jpg