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Post by superteacher on Mar 8, 2018 8:47:59 GMT
Video showing some of the work being done. Similar to what was done at London Bridge when the Jubilee line was extended there.
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Post by goldenarrow on Jun 4, 2018 12:34:52 GMT
@geofftech and Londonist with a video on the works for the Bank upgrade + a brief look at King William St.
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Post by goldenarrow on Oct 9, 2018 10:37:37 GMT
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Post by brigham on Oct 9, 2018 11:25:09 GMT
Will the famous entrance on Threadneedle Street remain open?
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Post by Chris M on Oct 9, 2018 11:39:02 GMT
No entrances are being closed - rather the opposite in fact.
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Post by goldenarrow on Oct 9, 2018 15:12:12 GMT
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Post by londoner on Oct 9, 2018 23:45:00 GMT
The article by Ian is great.
I have to say I absolutely love engineering projects which make better use of infrastructure or give new life to otherwise unused infrastructure.
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Post by melikepie on Oct 10, 2018 7:12:13 GMT
Further query to all this. Will there be step free interchange between the W&c and any other lines? And why are Central, Circle and District not getting step free?
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Post by Chris M on Oct 10, 2018 7:55:38 GMT
Step-free access to the W&C will be available via the street when the Wallbrook entrance opens. Step-free interchange might come when the Northern line project is complete, depending at what level things tie-in relative to the passage to the W&C, but I don't recall off the top of my head.
Regarding the other lines, adding step-free access to the other lines I guess isn't realistically possible as part of the current project (probably to keep the scope manageable) but passive provision for a lift to the Central line might be coming as part of the new linking tunnel - I'm not sure. There are though significant logistical issues to be resolved before those platforms can be served by lift as I understand it.
Linking the SSR platforms would require significant new tunnelling however its done (either horizontal and vertical or an inclined elevator) as they are higher and south of the Bank-side of the station I don't ever expect step-free interchange other than at street level. Step-free access to the westbound SSR is available at Cannon Street.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 10, 2018 10:27:17 GMT
Step-free access to the W&C will be available via the street when the Wallbrook entrance opens. Step-free interchange might come when the Northern line project is complete, depending at what level things tie-in relative to the passage to the W&C, but I don't recall off the top of my head. Regarding the other lines, adding step-free access to the other lines I guess isn't realistically possible as part of the current project (probably to keep the scope manageable) but passive provision for a lift to the Central line might be coming as part of the new linking tunnel - I'm not sure. There are though significant logistical issues to be resolved before those platforms can be served by lift as I understand it. Linking the SSR platforms would require significant new tunnelling however its done (either horizontal and vertical or an inclined elevator) as they are higher and south of the Bank-side of the station I don't ever expect step-free interchange other than at street level. Step-free access to the westbound SSR is available at Cannon Street. I can't see any Central Line lift passive provision on this cut away diagram of the Bank upgrade scope. If TfL could build a shaft then, to be honest, I'd expect them to fit it out and make another pair of platforms accessible given the Mayor's policy of increasing the number of accessible stations. Of course, the curved platforms at Bank Central Line pose a significant issue in terms of train to platform accessibility. content.tfl.gov.uk/bank-scu-diagram-of-works.pdf |
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Post by crusty54 on Oct 10, 2018 18:02:17 GMT
I would have thought step free access from the new Cannon Street entrance to the eastbound platform at Cannon Street could be possible.
There is already step free access to the westbound platform there.
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Post by goldenarrow on Oct 10, 2018 18:56:57 GMT
I would have thought step free access from the new Cannon Street entrance to the eastbound platform at Cannon Street could be possible. There is already step free access to the westbound platform there. I will stress here that the text below is a hunch based on some assumptions. I’m not very familiar with the topography of the SSR tunnels in this area, but I’d assume that the new Cannon Street corner entrance would be closer to the platforms of Monument especially when considering the location of the Tube station ticket hall at Cannon St is situated on Dowgate Ln on the left extremity of the mainline station. I also believe majority of the platform from the aforementioned ticket hall protrudes westwards. Looking a the schematics of the new Bank entrance, it appears that the new escalators descend straight down (in the direction of King William St) before reaching the intermediary land where the first lift shaft would cut in. If all that is in tune with reality, then that intermediary area where a theoretical passage to the SSR platforms at Cannon St would be at 15m below needing to climb up to the 8m that the SSR lines are at also making for quite a long winded route in the process. As stated above this a hunch based on a number of assumption and probably contains some gross simiplicifations. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Oct 10, 2018 20:05:53 GMT
I’m not very familiar with the typography of the SSR tunnels in this area... (my italics) Ummmm, do you mean topography? |
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Post by goldenarrow on Oct 10, 2018 20:08:31 GMT
I’m not very familiar with the typography of the SSR tunnels in this area... (my italics) Ummmm, do you mean topography? Sorted, many thanks. |
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Post by superteacher on Oct 10, 2018 21:13:44 GMT
Will the Cannon Street entrance and Cannon Street District / Circle starion be classed as an OSI (out of starion interchange)?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 10, 2018 21:22:51 GMT
Will the Cannon Street entrance and Cannon Street District / Circle station be classed as an OSI (out of station interchange)? Mansion House / Cannon Street / Bank / Monument are already an OSi ( Outer Station interchange). |
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Post by Chris M on Oct 10, 2018 21:55:32 GMT
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 10, 2018 22:04:13 GMT
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 11, 2018 16:43:53 GMT
The 23 September fares revision removed the OSi to Mansion House too: |
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Post by crusty54 on Oct 16, 2018 20:39:14 GMT
I would have thought step free access from the new Cannon Street entrance to the eastbound platform at Cannon Street could be possible. There is already step free access to the westbound platform there. I will stress here that the text below is a hunch based on some assumptions. I’m not very familiar with the topography of the SSR tunnels in this area, but I’d assume that the new Cannon Street corner entrance would be closer to the platforms of Monument especially when considering the location of the Tube station ticket hall at Cannon St is situated on Dowgate Ln on the left extremity of the mainline station. I also believe majority of the platform from the aforementioned ticket hall protrudes westwards. Looking a the schematics of the new Bank entrance, it appears that the new escalators descend straight down (in the direction of King William St) before reaching the intermediary land where the first lift shaft would cut in. If all that is in tune with reality, then that intermediary area where a theoretical passage to the SSR platforms at Cannon St would be at 15m below needing to climb up to the 8m that the SSR lines are at also making for quite a long winded route in the process. As stated above this a hunch based on a number of assumption and probably contains some gross simiplicifations. The platforms run along Cannon Street and the new entrance is much closer to them than Monument. |
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Post by snoggle on Nov 30, 2018 13:42:14 GMT
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Post by goldenarrow on Dec 1, 2018 18:39:25 GMT
Decided to scout out the Walbrook of which photos are below. Interestingly of what I think might be a first for a London Underground station are the escalators that power down when not in use. Also the ticket machines at the new entrance ticket hall can’t handle anything other than a adult Oyster card with Zip cards aswell as other smart cards not being recognised. Looking from gate line nearest to platform 7  Door to Walbrook  Separate portal from the existing passage from the DLR link to the W&C  Escalators up from the base level, anyone else think that that panel space is a bit of a waste?  View from close to the top of the escalators from base to intermediary levels  The intermediary level  |
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Post by snoggle on Dec 1, 2018 18:50:30 GMT
Thanks for those photos - they confirm what I suspected but was not sure about in terms of connecting into the existing station. Obviously there are structural constraints in breaking through into a tunnelled terminus area but those adits between old and new are a potential pinchpoint. It'll be interesting to see how LU manages the passenger flow here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 18:50:43 GMT
 Ah its finally opened. Interesting seeing the various images - here's one I took back in October 2016 when the first cut through the tunnel lining rings into the W&C are had taken place.
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Post by Chris M on Dec 1, 2018 19:51:45 GMT
re passive provision for a third escalator, if there is no escalator 15 anywhere then yes definitely, but I'm not sure it's quite wide enough.
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Post by goldenarrow on Dec 1, 2018 22:04:57 GMT
re passive provision for a third escalator, if there is no escalator 15 anywhere then yes definitely, but I'm not sure it's quite wide enough. I think there are 15 existing escalators and after pondering over this for a bit, I think you are right. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 11:24:42 GMT
Escalators (I think) 1, 2 and 3 at Kings Cross power down when not is use.
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Post by MoreToJack on Dec 2, 2018 11:46:17 GMT
Escalators (I think) 1, 2 and 3 at Kings Cross power down when not is use. Not completely - they'll still run, but at a slower speed. Infrared beams will speed the escalators back up when someone approaches. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 2, 2018 12:14:08 GMT
Escalators (I think) 1, 2 and 3 at Kings Cross power down when not is use. Not completely - they'll still run, but at a slower speed. Infrared beams will speed the escalators back up when someone approaches. That seems to be what the new ones at Bank do as well. It seems like a good idea. There is probably more wear and tear caused by repeated stopping and starting. People also tend to avoid stationary escalators as they appear to be out of order, or they can be caught off balance if they start unexpectedly (and possibly in the wrong direction). (That happened to me on one on the Brussels Metro) |
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Post by rsdworker on Dec 2, 2018 14:14:21 GMT
Ah its finally opened. Interesting seeing the various images - here's one I took back in October 2106 when the first cut through the tunnel lining rings into the W&C are had taken place. ![]() you typed 2106 - we did jump years in future? |
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