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Post by womble on Jan 12, 2019 19:26:59 GMT
Travelling back District Line from central London to Wimbledon Park in the rush hour in 1959 or 1960 my Wimbledon train was terminated short in the central bay at Putney Bridge. The train was quite full and everybody duly waited to board the next down train. When it arrived this was also full and standing. We all boarded, like sardines, and as the train moved off, it started to rip up the platform edging. Train stops, last three carriages had "sat down" on to the curve of the platform. No great fuss, after everybody had detrained from those three carriages it went on its way.
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Post by superteacher on Jan 12, 2019 19:41:21 GMT
Travelling back District Line from central London to Wimbledon Park in the rush hour in 1959 or 1960 my Wimbledon train was terminated short in the central bay at Putney Bridge. The train was quite full and everybody duly waited to board the next down train. When it arrived this was also full and standing. We all boarded, like sardines, and as the train moved off, it started to rip up the platform edging. Train stops, last three carriages had "sat down" on to the curve of the platform. No great fuss, after everybody had detrained from those three carriages it went on its way. That’d be a five hour shutdown and RAIB investigation these days!
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Post by cudsn15 on Jan 12, 2019 21:11:13 GMT
Just 5 hours?? that's generous of you! I would envision train sat in situ for at least 24 hours - before being dragged off. Station closed off for 21 days waiting for repairs. All the while "Good Service" being tannoyed and broadcast ad infinitum throughout the network.
I know I shouldn't be so cynical but when you've been using the "service" for so many years you can't help it.
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Post by t697 on Jan 13, 2019 13:22:11 GMT
One incident difficult to repeat with S stock since it doesn't 'oversail' the platform in the first place. I do recall one or two similar but lighter 'kisses' down on to platforms with older Surface stocks and the subsequent thorough investigations, even if the service stoppage wasn't as bad as predicted here!
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Post by superteacher on Jan 13, 2019 14:00:31 GMT
Also the layout has now changed at Putney Bridge with the old bay road becoming the through line. It’s also been straightened somewhat.
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Post by tjw on Jan 13, 2019 18:15:56 GMT
Just 5 hours?? that's generous of you! I would envision train sat in situ for at least 24 hours - before being dragged off. Station closed off for 21 days waiting for repairs. No the modern rule is quite simple, when the weight of the paperwork equals the weight of the objects involved it is then considered safe. Good service means the same as normal service! What the timetable (either of them) says is something else entirely. On the railways we carry the passengers at our convenience and it has always been this way.
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Post by spsmiler on Jan 13, 2019 22:17:26 GMT
I am astonished. A London Underground train so fully laden that its body distorts and the train becomes stuck.
Could you imagine it happening nowadays? The media would overdose on a feeding frenzy poking fun at the event.
The nearest we get in the present era is (I suppose) on the Central Line where passengers leaning on the doors force them outwards a little, which sometimes triggers the safety system into thinking that the door is not fully closed. But the train does not need to be overcrowded for this to happen.
I have heard of the weight of 'too many passengers' causing a Japanese train to fail to work properly but this was the Linimo Urban Metro which uses magnetic levitation trains and the issue was that it could not raise itself enough off the ground. This service also has difficulty with very windy weather.
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Post by brigham on Jan 15, 2019 8:55:12 GMT
Something Eric Laithwaite didn't take into consideration. Ah well, back to the Wheel!
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Post by roythebus on Feb 25, 2019 11:25:51 GMT
The only instance of this I have seen was at PG on the eastbound, some time in 1971 I think it was. A 6 car CP came into the station rattling and banging, the driver whistled up for the fitter only to tell him "my wheels have fallen off". The flare of the bodywork was indeed resting on the platform.
The spokes on the leading wheelsets had broken. It took almost a week to get the train jacked up and put on skates to be taken away to Ealing Common.
The motorman was Charles "Chad" Morley.
The entire District fleet was reduced for while as all axles had to be tested for cracks.
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Post by Deep Level on Feb 25, 2019 18:46:39 GMT
I recall an incident when I was much younger of a full DLR train leaning too far to the left and striking the end of the southbound platform at Mudchute upon departure.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 26, 2019 9:22:09 GMT
I am astonished. A London Underground train so fully laden that its body distorts and the train becomes stuck. Not quite in the hitting platform category but I remember when D Stock were very new they were built with a slight bow in the underframe towards the middle, which was fine when running lightly loaded. Bow Road westbound was a particular problem because of the tight radius curve and downward gradient causing a slight twist to the new solid underframe. When the train arrived and doors were opened a busy platform was collected but the doors refused to budge on the centre cars when trying to close! They had jammed in the open position because of the flexing. Again, the only solution was a “tip-out” and run empty until met by a car examiner who passed the doors as fit to operate. Over time the D Stock became more supple and the problem disappeared at Bow Road.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 26, 2019 11:05:08 GMT
I think somewhere on this forum (I don't have time to look right now) is the story of taking a C stock into a siding for the first time (I think at Wembley or Neasden) only to find they didn't fit due to striking a platform or walkway or something like that.
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Post by regp41 on Feb 26, 2019 12:59:37 GMT
I have a hazy recollection of newspaper reports about a Jubilee line train ripping up part of the newly installed platform edging at Stratford, because it had been incorrectly installed.
Ray
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Feb 26, 2019 13:20:59 GMT
I recall an incident when I was much younger of a full DLR train leaning too far to the left and striking the end of the southbound platform at Mudchute upon departure. Stand on the right in future Kyle....
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Post by Chris M on Feb 26, 2019 18:00:22 GMT
I think somewhere on this forum (I don't have time to look right now) is the story of taking a C stock into a siding for the first time (I think at Wembley or Neasden) only to find they didn't fit due to striking a platform or walkway or something like that. It turns out that it was Harrow-on-the-Hill reversing siding they were prohibited from entering. I've not found the thread I was thinking of, but I've found a couple of refrences to the resulting restriction. districtdavesforum.co.uk/post/195090/threaddistrictdavesforum.co.uk/post/73826/thread
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Post by Deep Level on Feb 26, 2019 18:44:02 GMT
I recall an incident when I was much younger of a full DLR train leaning too far to the left and striking the end of the southbound platform at Mudchute upon departure. Stand on the right in future Kyle.... Funnily enough I wasn't on this one despite almost constantly venturing out on the DLR back in those days
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 26, 2019 21:03:02 GMT
I have a hazy recollection of newspaper reports about a Jubilee line train ripping up part of the newly installed platform edging at Stratford, because it had been incorrectly installed. Ray New trains not quite fitting is nothing new... the Central London Railway's locomotives did not fit the tunnels (in this case because no allowance was made for the height of the tracks above ground level when the maximum size dimensions were sent to the people who built them!)
I vaguely recall problems with the 1973 tube stock having clerance problems in some tunnels when first introduced.
But its not just here that such happens - a few years ago fleet of new suburban trains in the Paris area was found to be too wide to pass through some stations without hitting the platform edge.
Simon
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