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Post by movingmillion on Aug 14, 2019 5:43:03 GMT
Hello again.
I understand that the Class 360s inherited from the Heathrow Connect service will be replaced completely with 345 units at some point soon. Surely they aren't going to scrap units that are only sixteen years old? Is there much chance of a transfer to another operator to get a bit more use out of them before being scrapped?
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Post by stapler on Aug 14, 2019 6:59:32 GMT
There will also be 360s spare from GA when their new fleet arrives.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 14, 2019 7:05:05 GMT
Great Eastern's 360s are going to be transferred to the St Pancras- Corby route when that is electrified. Maybe the small Heathrow Connect fleet will join them?
But there are much younger Siemens units looking for new homes, notably LNWR's 350/2s (to be replaced by 730s) which are ten years old, and SWR's 707s, which entered service less than two years ago.
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Post by movingmillion on Aug 14, 2019 7:10:57 GMT
Oh no! The 350s are leaving LNWR? Sad news; I liked them.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 14, 2019 9:38:09 GMT
Oh no! The 350s are leaving LNWR? Sad news; I liked them. According to Wikipedia, LNWR will be keeping the /1 and /3 subclasses, and acquiring the 350/4s from Transpennine. |
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Post by jukes on Aug 14, 2019 12:45:46 GMT
Oh no! The 350s are leaving LNWR? Sad news; I liked them. According to Wikipedia, LNWR will be keeping the /1 and /3 subclasses, and acquiring the 350/4s from Transpennine. Yes that will give LNWR a uniform fleet of 110mph 350s. The /2s are only 100mph capable without modification. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 14, 2019 13:03:27 GMT
Yes that will give LNWR a uniform fleet of 110mph 350s. The /2s are only 100mph capable without modification. Wikipedia says that such a modification was done last year. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Aug 14, 2019 18:13:50 GMT
According to Wikipedia, LNWR will be keeping the /1 and /3 subclasses, and acquiring the 350/4s from Transpennine. Yes that will give LNWR a uniform fleet of 110mph 350s. The /2s are only 100mph capable without modification. Aren't the /2 the ones with commuter (2+3) seating which keep getting put on the Liverpool-Birmingham and Liverpool-London routes, for which they are far from appropriate? |
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Post by goldenarrow on Aug 14, 2019 20:29:49 GMT
Yes that will give LNWR a uniform fleet of 110mph 350s. The /2s are only 100mph capable without modification. Aren't the /2 the ones with commuter (2+3) seating which keep getting put on the Liverpool-Birmingham and Liverpool-London routes, for which they are far from appropriate? That's the ones. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Aug 15, 2019 10:03:54 GMT
As far as I can tell Angel Trains own the Class 360s, they're only getting rid of the 30-year old Pacers so I don't imagine they'd want to scrap trains that are only half that age.
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Post by phil on Aug 17, 2019 19:27:43 GMT
As far as I can tell Angel Trains own the Class 360s, they're only getting rid of the 30-year old Pacers so I don't imagine they'd want to scrap trains that are only half that age. One thing that needs to be remembered is that the TfL 360s lack things like TPWS which are mandatory for routes other than the GWML between Airport Junction and Paddington. This is because the British Rail ATP(GW) system provides superior protection. Moving the units elsewhere is thus problematic as TPWS has to be retrofitted - and much depends on whether passive provision has been made when it comes to how easy that is. I also understand they are coming up to needing a serious mid-life overhaul which needs to be factored in to their attractiveness for another operator. Then there is the ‘new train’ fetish in Whitehall which has places great emphasis on new rolling stock. Finally with the scaling back of mainline electrification 25KV powered units are not that useful - increasingly leasing companies are looking to find ways of making them bi-modes so as to attract users. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Aug 17, 2019 20:28:40 GMT
I read that Northern are keeping the cl323 that were to go to the Midlands, with the Midland units moving north. Could it be that the AC Desiros are all bound for Birmingham?
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Post by 35b on Aug 18, 2019 6:20:13 GMT
I read that Northern are keeping the cl323 that were to go to the Midlands, with the Midland units moving north. Could it be that the AC Desiros are all bound for Birmingham? No. New trains on the Bombardier Aventra platform are on order for the West Midlands. |
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Post by 100andthirty on Aug 18, 2019 16:19:18 GMT
As far as I am aware, there were never plans for Northern's class 323s to move to Birmingham from Manchester. It has just been confirmed that, in fact, the Birmingham 323s will move to Manchester. The whole fleet will be in the North and the class 319s will be released.
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Post by Chris L on Aug 18, 2019 18:05:44 GMT
The 319s released as destined to become 769 Flexes.
The leasing companies are very keen to make money out of units that are really life expired.
Converting 360s would be more attractive.
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Post by phil on Aug 18, 2019 18:32:59 GMT
The 319s released as destined to become 769 Flexes. The leasing companies are very keen to make money out of units that are really life expired. Converting 360s would be more attractive. Conversions cost money - and like all responsible companies the ROSCO will only go down that route (as opposed to storage / scrapping) if the monetary sums add up. The main reason the 319 to 769 conversion was started is the fact that in principle all you needed to do was basically add a Diesel engine / alternator combo to create 750V and trick the unit to think it was working off 3rd rail. Granted as the project has gone on things have turned out to not be quite so straight forward (body shell corrosion and Diesel engine integration issues) but none of these undermine the principle that a DC EMU is an easier proposition to convert. The problem with OLE conversions to bi-modes is there has to be much more tinkering with the traction systems, as to put it crudely you cannot get a Diesel engine / alternator combo with a 25KV output to bolt on the underside of the unit. Not impossible to do of course, but more costly. |
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Post by mcmaddog on Aug 18, 2019 20:35:24 GMT
The rumour is the airport 360s are going to Bangkok but I'm pretty sure there's nothing to confirm that.
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Post by 35b on Aug 18, 2019 20:47:38 GMT
As far as I am aware, there were never plans for Northern's class 323s to move to Birmingham from Manchester. It has just been confirmed that, in fact, the Birmingham 323s will move to Manchester. The whole fleet will be in the North and the class 319s will be released. There were plans, but those were by the leasing company and not taken up by the operators. |
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