Jubilee line 40th Anniversary Event

[MoreToJack]

Quite surprised this hasn't appeared on here yet!

The London Transport Museum is running a special 40th anniversary event on the Jubilee line next month.

The Jubilee line, named for the Silver Jubilee of Queen Elizabeth II, was opened in 1979. This year marks its Ruby anniversary - 40 years in service, as well as the 20th anniversary of the extension from Green Park to Stratford, which opened in 1999.
In celebration of this momentous anniversary, the Jubilee Line, in conjunction with London Transport Museum’s Hidden London programme, are offering you a rare and exclusive opportunity to travel on the line, including a section that’s not usually open to the public.

Journey 1
Date: Sunday 10 November
Location: Stanmore – Charing Cross
Time: 9:00 – 11.45
Tickets: £90 adult, £85 children and concessions*

Journey 2
Date: Sunday 10 November
Location: Charing Cross – Stanmore
Time: 13:00 – 15:45
Tickets: £90 adult, £85 children and concessions*

More details at www.ltmuseum.co.uk/whats-on/heritage-vehicles-outings#

[superteacher]

£90 to travel on a 1996 stock? Total rip off.

[t697]

Oct 18, 2019 23:04:15 GMT superteacher said:

£90 to travel on a 1996 stock? Total rip off.

I agree, but apparently both trips now sold out!

[superteacher]

Oct 19, 2019 8:40:24 GMT t697 said:

Oct 18, 2019 23:04:15 GMT superteacher said:

£90 to travel on a 1996 stock? Total rip off.

I agree, but apparently both trips now sold out!

Indeed. If people are prepared to pay, then they’ll charge whatever they can get away with!

[t697]

There are talks given on the trip apparently, but the bit of line you can't go on in normal service is just more tube tunnel, it doesn't look or feel distinctive. Obviously must appeal to tick box folk I suppose.

[simran1966]

Would it have been possible to use 72 stock on that part of the line for this event? (that's what I thought they were doing when I saw the picture in the link!)

[MoreToJack]

No.

[Chris M]

The 72 stock are not compatible with the Jubilee line signalling, so your only options would be to either install the relevant kit on a 72 stock train (very expensive and time consuming to design and test) or take a possession of the line north of the junction at Green Park (meaning no public trains between Waterloo and Stanmore). If you are prepared to pay very handsomely for the privilege then LU/TfL might consider such a trip during engineering hours.

[simran1966]

Ah, OK, makes sense. Thanks.

Oct 19, 2019 11:15:46 GMT Chris M said:

If you are prepared to pay very handsomely for the privilege then LU/TfL might consider such a trip during engineering hours.

No, £90 was already a bit much!

[muzer]

Does anyone have the timetable notice for this?

[rincew1nd]

Nov 20, 2019 21:35:52 GMT muzer said:

Does anyone have the timetable notice for this?

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[muzer]

Right, I suppose I'll have to go through the hassle of putting in a Freedom of Information request for them then. I wish TfL'd just publish them on their website and save everyone involved the hassle...

[phil]

Dec 6, 2019 21:43:18 GMT muzer said:

Right, I suppose I'll have to go through the hassle of putting in a Freedom of Information request for them then. I wish TfL'd just publish them on their website and save everyone involved the hassle...

Why do you need to know? given the rolling stock will be exactly the same as every other Jubilee line train and Charing Cross will only be accessible by those travelling on the tour (whom LU will presumably be in touch with after the tickets has been purchased) is it really that essential to see it?

[spsmiler]

Dec 7, 2019 13:01:14 GMT phil said:

Why do you need to know? given the rolling stock will be exactly the same as every other Jubilee line train and Charing Cross will only be accessible by those travelling on the tour (whom LU will presumably be in touch with after the tickets has been purchased) is it really that essential to see it?

Exactly why I am not even going to try and see or film this train.

if it had been something different (eg: 1938 tube stock, or even a Hastings DMU, again - albeit obviously not through the tube tunnels) then my reactions would have been different. But I know and accept that such is not possible - at present.

I wish everyone who travels on the train a pleasant experience.

[elsombernie]

Dec 7, 2019 23:53:02 GMT spsmiler said:

Exactly why I am not even going to try and see or film this train.

if it had been something different (eg: 1938 tube stock, or even a Hastings DMU, again - albeit obviously not through the tube tunnels) then my reactions would have been different. But I know and accept that such is not possible - at present.

I wish everyone who travels on the train a pleasant experience.

As the original post in this thread said that the train was due to run on November 10th, you'd be hard pushed to see it without a time machine 

[spsmiler]

Dec 8, 2019 8:32:49 GMT elsombernie said:

As the original post in this thread said that the train was due to run on November 10th, you'd be hard pushed to see it without a time machine 

oh, erm, um. When replying it did not occur to me that the train had already run.

If I had that time machine I'd be going back much further than just a few weeks! My destinations would include both Stanmore branches, albeit not when one of them was part of the Jubilee line (nor Bakerloo for that matter).

Simon

[brigham]

The Stanmore branches? What an ambition.

I would be at Wylam colliery with William Hedley, and Shildon with Stephenson and Hackworth...

[muzer]

If anyone else was after the Working Timetable, TfL have now supplied it in response to my FOI request www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/timetable_notice_ttn_for_10th_no

[Chris L]

Dec 28, 2019 12:27:37 GMT muzer said:

If anyone else was after the Working Timetable, TfL have now supplied it in response to my FOI request www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/timetable_notice_ttn_for_10th_no

Thanks for wasting public money in a pretty pointless exercise.

FOI requests involve a lot of work in initial response, getting the information together and final response.

[hptraveller]

The ability to make FOI requests is welcome and means that useful information such as WTTs can be obtained - very helpful now that public timetables have been reduced in scope. The flip side of the coin is that requests can be made for information which has no real public interest value, and that is a waste of time and money for public bodies to respond to (such as this, or a request to know which particular Class 315 units were operating on particular diagrams on a specific day in the past) and that just unnecessarily give ammunition to those people who want to restrict or remove FOI rights. Please think "is this information really necessary" before making a request.

[North End]

Dec 29, 2019 1:13:44 GMT Chris L said:

Dec 28, 2019 12:27:37 GMT muzer said:

If anyone else was after the Working Timetable, TfL have now supplied it in response to my FOI request www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/timetable_notice_ttn_for_10th_no

Thanks for wasting public money in a pretty pointless exercise.

FOI requests involve a lot of work in initial response, getting the information together and final response.

Why has this forum become so snide?

The time taken for someone inside TFL to find a timetable notice would, in reality, be pretty minimal - it's something which with the right knowledge could be found within a couple of minutes.

The FOI is there to allow the public access to information held by public sector bodies, so no one should be upset when someone uses it to gain such information. A look through something like the what do they know website will find hundreds of requests which no doubt many would consider a waste of money, but clearly they're important to those making the requests and in reality that's all that matters.

[hptraveller]

I'm sorry if my response sounded overly grumpy, but there are an awful lot of FOI requests (as you mention) that are not for useful and valuable information. There are a lot of geeky things that I could request, but I'm conscious that doing so undermines the whole basis for FOI to be freely requested on the current scale and basis - and would only hand the baton to those people in government who want to cut back on FOI.

In relation to TfL I would only consider requesting information directly impacting people - safety, performance, management, service development - that's when it is most valuable. Anyway, I'm going rather off-topic so I'll stop there and wish everyone a Happy New Year!

[Chris L]

Dec 29, 2019 16:40:53 GMT North End said:

Dec 29, 2019 1:13:44 GMT Chris L said:

Thanks for wasting public money in a pretty pointless exercise.

FOI requests involve a lot of work in initial response, getting the information together and final response.

Why has this forum become so snide?

The time taken for someone inside TFL to find a timetable notice would, in reality, be pretty minimal - it's something which with the right knowledge could be found within a couple of minutes.

The FOI is there to allow the public access to information held by public sector bodies, so no one should be upset when someone uses it to gain such information. A look through something like the what do they know website will find hundreds of requests which no doubt many would consider a waste of money, but clearly they're important to those making the requests and in reality that's all that matters.

FOI requests are a legal matter and have to be processed through channels. They are intended for seeking out important things in the public interest. 

With TfL the request is referred to the Secretariat. They produce the initial response stating that they will reply in an appropriate time.

They then seek the requested information, which may require several people to locate it. A check is then made that it is appropriate to be issued.

A final reply is then prepared and sent.

The process is not pretty minimal and does cost money.

[rincew1nd]

This forum isn't really the place to discuss the merits of the Freedom of Information Act.

[muzer]

If TfL, or indeed any public body, are spending an inordinate amount of time and money responding to FOI requests they should perhaps make the information more freely available in the first place. Indeed this is presumably what led to the London Underground Working Timetables being made public on the TfL website in the first place. I've worked with TfL's open data in the past, and the quality of it is quite atrocious, so I'm definitely glad to be one of many giving them a kick up the rear to do a better job at it.

[MoreToJack]

Okay, that’s enough. This thread has run its course. It isn’t the place to discuss FoI requests, as already pointed out, and all the information about this event has now been posted. Thread locked.

[Dstock7080]

Another two runs advertised:
Jubilee 40

Sundays 9 and 23 February 2020
Journey 1: Stanmore to Charing Cross:
Time: 9:00 – 11.45
Tickets: £90 adult, £85 children and concessions

depart Stanmore on a '96 Stock at 9:39 to travel to Charing Cross station, with experts giving a talk on the history of the line during the journey.
At Charing Cross, you’ll enjoy a Hidden London tour of the station’s tunnels and get the chance to stay in the train as it goes into the overrun tunnel and take a photo in the drivers cab.

Sundays 9 and 23 February 2020
Journey 2: Charing Cross to Stanmore
Time: 13:00 – 15:45
Tickets: £90 adult, £85 children and concessions

start with a Hidden London tour and get the chance to stay in the train as it goes into the overrun tunnel and take a photo in the drivers cab.
You’ll then depart from Charing Cross at 15:00 and enjoy the journey to Stanmore on a '96 Stock train, with experts giving a talk on the history of the line during the journey.