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Post by prjb on Apr 4, 2006 20:38:39 GMT
The curved windows as on the 67TS were ruled out for the 09TS at an early stage due to this reducing the strength of the cab structure. It would never have passed crash worthiness tests. The red front of todays stock is purely for corporate livery, our trains do not go fast enough to need added visibility. Just to confirm, the front door of the 09TS is LU corporate red.
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Post by Tomcakes on Apr 4, 2006 20:41:24 GMT
As well as trackworkers on or near the line during running hours on NR, there are still many open foot crossings for the public. That's where the yellow panel (for visibility) came from - and as trains got faster it's also why high visibility headlights were introduced even for day use. IIRC it was when DMUs / diesels were introduced on BR they were quieter than kettles, and safety concerns were raised.
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Post by Phil on Apr 4, 2006 22:13:22 GMT
As well as trackworkers on or near the line during running hours on NR, there are still many open foot crossings for the public. That's where the yellow panel (for visibility) came from - and as trains got faster it's also why high visibility headlights were introduced even for day use. IIRC it was when DMUs / diesels were introduced on BR they were quieter than kettles, and safety concerns were raised. Equally correct. That's the rest of the combination (and also the origin of the hi-vis vest).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2006 14:41:32 GMT
Just seen a few photos of the '09ts under construction. I'm very surprised that they are being built in DERBY. I like the look of the front end. Have they decided on a left hand or right hand driving position?
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Post by subwayrail on Apr 7, 2006 17:03:38 GMT
Have they decided on a left hand or right hand driving position? The CTBC will be located in the right-side driving position, but start buttons for automatic mode will be provided on both sides.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2006 17:11:43 GMT
Just seen a few photos of the '09ts under construction. I'm very surprised that they are being built in DERBY. I like the look of the front end. Have they decided on a left hand or right hand driving position? Bombardier is based in Derby matey. It's the only place that has the facilities to build a large order like this. Sam
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Post by prjb on Apr 7, 2006 19:09:57 GMT
Have they decided on a left hand or right hand driving position? The CTBC will be located in the right-side driving position, but start buttons for automatic mode will be provided on both sides. Yes, it is a right hand TBC but you need to bear in mind that the T'Op will sit on the right hand side when driving in RM or PM.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2006 19:19:24 GMT
Why the change to right hand driving positions after so many years of left?
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Post by prjb on Apr 7, 2006 19:31:22 GMT
The majority of the platforms on the Vic are on the right hand side, so it made sense to design the train with the T'op on that side. Naturally on SSR, we have gone back to the traditional driving position.
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Post by cdr113 on Apr 7, 2006 19:32:39 GMT
Just seen a few photos of the '09ts under construction. I'm very surprised that they are being built in DERBY. I like the look of the front end. Have they decided on a left hand or right hand driving position? Bombardier is based in Derby matey. It's the only place that has the facilities to build a large order like this. Sam I think Bombardier is actually a Canadian company....
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Post by prjb on Apr 7, 2006 19:37:05 GMT
Yes, they are Canadian. The Derby site seems to have a lot of French working there and they have an interior division in Finland (I'm sure it's Finland).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2006 19:40:32 GMT
Bombardier is based in Derby matey. It's the only place that has the facilities to build a large order like this. Sam I think Bombardier is actually a Canadian company.... Let me rephrase that... their main factory/workshop/depot/ is at Derby! 'Pologies for the confusion... Sam
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Post by subwayrail on Apr 7, 2006 19:53:18 GMT
The CTBC will be located in the right-side driving position, but start buttons for automatic mode will be provided on both sides. Yes, it is a right hand TBC but you need to bear in mind that the T'Op will sit on the right hand side when driving in RM or PM. That is what I said, innit? Why the change to right hand driving positions after so many years of left? Sam As prjb says, most platforms are on that side. On the few occasions when I choose to sit on the right while entering platforms, it feels somewhat unnatural after almost always sitting on the left. But I suppose I’ll get used to it.
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Post by Tom on Apr 7, 2006 20:51:32 GMT
Yes, they are Canadian. The Derby site seems to have a lot of French working there and they have an interior division in Finland (I'm sure it's Finland). It's Sweden. Bombardier took over ADTranz who previously merged with ABB who were a combination of Brown Boveri and ASEA (Allmänna Svenska Elektriska Aktiebolaget - The General Swedish Electrical Company). Bit of a long trail back to their origin these days, but there you go!
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Post by prjb on Apr 8, 2006 11:23:30 GMT
I knew the interiors division where over there somewhere! My area is anything forward of the bulkhead and to a lesser extent under the floor. I leave the moquette to the ambience boys!
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2006 9:51:57 GMT
Is there any news on the construction of the first '09 stock (it has been a while since anything was added to this thread)
Will the '09TS be able to operate alongside the 67TS, or will the Vic be shut down for a while for the changeover?
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Post by tom2506 on May 7, 2006 9:56:46 GMT
Is there any news on the construction of the first '09 stock (it has been a while since anything was added to this thread) Will the '09TS be able to operate alongside the 67TS, or will the Vic be shut down for a while for the changeover? I was going to ask the same question. It would be interesting to get some photos of the trains working together or sitting in the depot.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2006 10:02:24 GMT
For some reason, I'm getting quite enthusiastic about the forthcoming 09TS, although it will be a shame to see the 67TS go- it's had a good innings.
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Post by tom2506 on May 7, 2006 10:06:00 GMT
I think the 67 stock just look great and I want them to continue as long as possible but as with any new stock or refurb i think people are exctied to see what it will be like.
Its a shame they cant just get new 67's made but with newer onboard equipment for ATO etc !
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Post by Ben on May 7, 2006 15:00:51 GMT
Refit the 67's? Now I recon they should do that with the A60/62s but thats for another thread...
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2006 18:10:26 GMT
For some reason, I'm getting quite enthusiastic about the forthcoming 09TS, although it will be a shame to see the 67TS go- it's had a good innings. Each to his own, but I envy the Jubilee and Northern for their new stocks which I really like, so for me the 09's can't come sooner.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2006 19:41:51 GMT
Is there any news on the construction of the first '09 stock (it has been a while since anything was added to this thread) Will the '09TS be able to operate alongside the 67TS, or will the Vic be shut down for a while for the changeover? I was going to ask the same question. It would be interesting to get some photos of the trains working together or sitting in the depot. Given that only one car has been built so far, I don't think we are going to see a whole train for a good few months yet. I think it will get to Northumberland Park either late '06 or early '07.
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Post by prjb on May 15, 2006 23:21:02 GMT
Is there any news on the construction of the first '09 stock (it has been a while since anything was added to this thread) Will the '09TS be able to operate alongside the 67TS, or will the Vic be shut down for a while for the changeover? There will be a reasonably lengthy migration period where both stocks inter-run. It would be impossible to deliver the 09's and remove the 67's for scrap/reassignment over the course of a weekend shutdown. When the first 09 fleet train is delivered to Northumberland Park Depot they will arrive at a rate of about one every two weeks.
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Post by prjb on May 15, 2006 23:23:30 GMT
I was going to ask the same question. It would be interesting to get some photos of the trains working together or sitting in the depot. I am up at Bombardier to see the 09 (amongst other stuff!) on the 24th of this month. I can't post photo's but will let you know (as much as I can do) what is going on.
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Post by prjb on May 15, 2006 23:24:50 GMT
Given that only one car has been built so far, I don't think we are going to see a whole train for a good few months yet. I think it will get to Northumberland Park either late '06 or early '07. Late 06 for the first pre-series train is the current plan.
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Post by whoosh on May 15, 2006 23:45:49 GMT
If the two stocks run at the same time, how will this work? AIUI the Victoria Line will recieve new ATO equipment/signalling for the new stock to run. Will the new stock be fitted with old equipment for a short time? Will the trains run in manual mode when they enter service? Don't the trains have to run in coded manual when in service? If it's coded manual, won't that need the old equipment?
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Post by Colin on May 16, 2006 2:26:51 GMT
If the two stocks run at the same time, how will this work? AIUI the Victoria Line will recieve new ATO equipment/signalling for the new stock to run. Will the new stock be fitted with old equipment for a short time? Will the trains run in manual mode when they enter service? Don't the trains have to run in coded manual when in service? If it's coded manual, won't that need the old equipment? Perhaps THIS THREAD will answer some of your questions. As for coded manual in service - AFAIK it'll be auto all the way. Coded manual is for fault conditions (waits to be corrected by a button pusher ;D ;D).
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Post by whoosh on May 16, 2006 2:43:54 GMT
Thanks for that link COLIN. According to Tom, "...the 67 stock is being fitted with NADBs (New Auto Driver Boxes) to work under both the old and new arrangements. The new signalling will actually start to be commissioned in an interim format before all the 67's are withdrawn."
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Post by prjb on May 24, 2006 21:43:23 GMT
A brief update on 09, as promised. I was up at Derby today and the 09 is progressing nicely with the first train well under construction and being fitted out. The cab is starting to look like an LU driving cab too with consoles and other equipment (TBC etc) fitted. As I said brief, but thats about it.
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