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Post by astock5000 on Jan 25, 2009 19:18:18 GMT
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Post by docklands on Jan 27, 2009 12:54:35 GMT
According to the Wharf it will open in early March. |
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Post by george1manning on Feb 4, 2009 16:44:54 GMT
I wonder if ticket gates will be installed at Tower Gateway as at Woolwich Arsenal? It would seem a logical move given that there seem to be few ticket checks on trains nowadays.
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Post by Guest on Feb 4, 2009 19:42:29 GMT
The barriers at Woolwich Arsenal are there to keep you off the Southeastern trains - the intention is not to protect the DLR.
I don't think anything is changing at Tower Gateway outside the platform area.
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Post by mackenzieblu on Feb 4, 2009 20:10:53 GMT
Its opening March, that comes from the DLR themselves.
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Post by astock5000 on Feb 5, 2009 19:16:04 GMT
The barriers at Woolwich Arsenal are there to keep you off the Southeastern trains - the intention is not to protect the DLR. So then why aren't they between the DLR and Southeastern? As they are at the entrance to the station, you can get from the DLR to Southeastern without going through a ticket barrier. |
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Post by Guest on Feb 5, 2009 20:12:15 GMT
Because gating interchanges is generally frowned upon (and there are issues with capacity and gateline positioning and so on). That makes gating the whole station complex the only option.
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Post by george1manning on Feb 6, 2009 14:40:48 GMT
There are barriers between the DLR and the street, nothing to do with South Eastern. The barriers at Woolwich Arsenal are there to keep you off the Southeastern trains - the intention is not to protect the DLR. I don't think anything is changing at Tower Gateway outside the platform area. |
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Post by Guest on Feb 6, 2009 15:43:57 GMT
But if there weren't barriers between the DLR and the street you'd be able to use the interchange route to get to the Southeastern platforms without passing through barriers. Therefore the DLR were forced to put barriers either on the interchange route or on the entrances, and they chose the latter.
Given that most other DLR stations would be near impossible to barrier (including recently designed ones), I don't think there's any reason to think they've suddenly decided ticket barriers are a good idea.
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Post by george1manning on Feb 6, 2009 16:21:40 GMT
Sorry I don't understand this. There are already barriers at the South Eastern station and there have been for some considerable time.
I appreciate that point you make about barriers being impossible at most DLR stations but Woolwich Arsenal is obviously an exception and I don't think they would be out of the question at Tower Gateway.
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Post by Guest on Feb 6, 2009 17:28:25 GMT
That's the whole bloody point. The DLR can't come in and attach an ungated station with ungated interchange on the side of an already gated station, so they were forced to put in gates somewhere in their part of the station. The gates would not exist if it weren't for the requirement the Southeastern platforms be gated. I don't know why this so hard for you to grok.
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Post by docklands on Feb 6, 2009 17:49:39 GMT
The diagram below is my understanding of the new layout - it might be completely wrong! From my observations, this is how I believe Tower Gateway station will look: There would be no passing loop as such as Royal Mint Street junction will be changed so that instead of the TG spur being connected to the DLR network by a single track as above, they'll be a flat juction with both tracks connecting to the DLR network. The southern line (the bottom one in the diagram) is the one that serves the station. There is a crossover about 100-150m outside the station. From this crossover the northern track continues to the edge of the northern platform forming a siding. On the subject of gating the station, I doubt it as it would be impossible to gate the Mansell St staircase. |
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Post by astock5000 on Feb 6, 2009 18:09:06 GMT
There would be no passing loop as such as Royal Mint Street junction will be changed so that instead of the TG spur being connected to the DLR network by a single track as above, they'll be a flat juction with both tracks connecting to the DLR network. The southern line (the bottom one in the diagram) is the one that serves the station. There is a crossover about 100-150m outside the station. From this crossover the northern track continues to the edge of the northern platform forming a siding. Is this what you mean? |
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Post by Guest on Feb 6, 2009 23:48:14 GMT
That's the whole bloody point. The DLR can't come in and attach an ungated station with ungated interchange on the side of an already gated station, so they were forced to put in gates somewhere in their part of the station. The gates would not exist if it weren't for the requirement the Southeastern platforms be gated. I don't know why this so hard for you to grok. Presumably Limehouse DLR will be gated too otherwise you'll soon be able to exit from c2c via their Up Road platform and the c2c/DLR cross-platform link, then out via the EB DLR platform and stairs? |
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Post by george1manning on Feb 7, 2009 10:55:06 GMT
I'll try just one more time. The gated entrance/exit leads from the DLR into the street so I cannot see what it has got to do with South Eastern  That's the whole bloody point. The DLR can't come in and attach an ungated station with ungated interchange on the side of an already gated station, so they were forced to put in gates somewhere in their part of the station. The gates would not exist if it weren't for the requirement the Southeastern platforms be gated. I don't know why this so hard for you to grok. |
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