Jubilee Heritage Run - Wed 5th August

[londonstuff]

This arrived in my inbox a few minutes ago, I thought it may be of interest:



Good morning,

I am writing to let you know of a forthcoming event on London Underground's Jubilee line using the London Transport Museum's 1938 tube stock 4-car unit. This is part of the Jubilee line's 30th/10th anniversary celebrations, and likely to be the last opportunity to ride on 38 stock on the Jubilee line before their new signalling is commissioned.

We are planning to run the train on Wednesday 5th August - yes, midweek - from Stratford. There are two opportunities to participate in this event:

Trip a) Stratford - West Hampstead - Charing Cross - West Hampstead: costs £25 per person
Trip b) West Hampstead - Stratford: costs £10 per person

The train arrives at Stratford, platform 14 at 1100 and leaves at 1122 (plenty of time for photo opportunities), there's also 20 minutes scheduled at Charing Cross disused Jubilee line platforms for more photo opportunities. I think this is the first passenger run of 38TS to the platforms at Charing Cross, although I'm ready to be corrected by the experts …….. The train arrives at the end of trip a) at West Hampstead at 1318.

We then leave for trip b) from West Hampstead at 1348 and arrive back at Stratford at 1428.

Tickets for both trips are being sold from next week by the London Transport Museum via their website www.ltmuseum.co.uk of their ticket line 020 7565 7298.

If running the heritage train midweek proves successful - both in relation to the normal train service and in customer numbers - then we could look to organise a "very last trip" on the Northern line next year……….watch this space!

[happybunny]

I have never been on one of these before but would be interested to do so. Can staff get free tickets? For them and a guest?

[Deleted]

I wouldnt mind going on this trip. I will put the word out to a few freinds.

[londonstuff]

@happybunny presumably the money from the revenue goes back into the restoration of the trains (although I'm happy to be corrected) - therefore, everyone should pay

[Ben]

CX has indeed been done by the 38ts, however the JLE hasnt...

[Deleted]

wow that will be very odd seeing a 38 stock going through the jle

[Tubeboy]

What if the train had to be evacuated on a PED section? Detrain via the cab and through the tunnel access door?

I knew the recent run on the Northern wasn't going to be the last one!

[Deleted]

Jul 15, 2009 15:06:34 GMT Tubeboy said:

What if the train had to be evacuated on a PED section? Detrain via the cab and through the tunnel access door?

I have been wondering that myself, especially with at least one almost definite disabled passenger on board (myself!)

[Phil]

Jul 15, 2009 15:06:34 GMT Tubeboy said:

What if the train had to be evacuated on a PED section? Detrain via the cab and through the tunnel access door?

.............as they always used to?? Thank goodness H&S cannot (usually) be made retrospective. The disabled know full well before they book what the limitations are, and service passengers are not being carried so there's no problem there.

To bring up this sort of stuff is the same as what nearly put paid to the remaining Routemasters on (designated) heritage routes. So long as the disabled still have a full service the argument must be irrelevant.


...............or almost all heritage (preserved) railways, bus running days etc. etc. would have to cease.

[Tubeboy]

As they always used to? AFAIK this is the first time a non 96ts unit has done a passenger service on this stretch..... ever.

[Chris M]

I presume Phil was talking about how evacuations in general used to be carried out.
Wasn't there a thread a couple of months back where it was posted that 1996ts is the only stock permitted to run in passenger service on the JLE?

[londonstuff]

Jul 15, 2009 15:10:43 GMT @ltmuseumguy said:

Jul 15, 2009 15:06:34 GMT Tubeboy said:

What if the train had to be evacuated on a PED section? Detrain via the cab and through the tunnel access door?

I have been wondering that myself, especially with at least one almost definite disabled passenger on board (myself!)

Logic would surely then tell you to take the car nearest the cab?
For unlikely, but not uncommon events, like trains being evacuated via the tracks, wouldn't this be a factor in you taking/not taking the tube anyway?

If I were running this event and the first thing people said, rather than "Wow, thanks" was "How do you get me off in the event of an emergency", it'd really make me think about whether I really wanted to invest my time and energy in planning and running these events, which in my experience of going on several of these events, is absolutely first class.

[Ben]

That is a very good point; the tunnels have been built to have a emergency passenger walkway on the side.

It'll be a very odd site to see it travel along this section, however Phil and londonstuff have hit the nail on the head. Its overwhelmingly good that the company is for this. There were pics online of the weedkiller 38 at Stratford a while back, so its certainly in gauge.

[21146]

The detrainment procedure is the same for all trains whether 96TS or 38TS if a failure prevents then from being moved in a tunnel section (i.e. if either stock is stalled underground, and the train cannot be pushed-out, it's a case of walk forward to the next station).

If a train stalls on entering or leaving a platform, the PEDs will not line up with the doors on the train, whatever stock it is; so again it's a case of walk forward (or back) and gain access to a platform via an emergency door.

Frankly, some of the comments posted here are exactly the sort of thing which gets these sort of 'one-off' operations banned on LUL in the first place.

[21146]

Of course the photo opportunities are a bit limited on the JLE so need to be considered carefully.

[Deleted]

Jul 15, 2009 18:18:10 GMT @21146 said:

Frankly, some of the comments posted here are exactly the sort of thing which gets these sort of 'one-off' operations banned on LUL in the first place.

I'd endorse that sentiment! The questions may have an interest value, but it would be useful if people thought through the potential ramifications of such questions and then judged if it was wise to raise such issues!

As with everywhere else on LUL a wheelchair bound passenger, in the event of a failure must remain on the train with the train operator. In the event of such a failure being exceptionally prolonged, the wheelchair bound passenger may be evacuated by being rolled onto a special carry sheet, which is part of the emergency equipment on all stocks, which has six handles on it and they will be carried off the train by six members of staff and/or firemen.

[Deleted]

Funds permitting, I should be there. Payday next week so I'll know for certain then. Looks too good to miss and I haven't ridden on a red 38TS train since the 1990 Morden open day!

[londonstuff]

Jul 15, 2009 21:54:39 GMT @aspect said:

Jul 15, 2009 18:18:10 GMT @21146 said:

Frankly, some of the comments posted here are exactly the sort of thing which gets these sort of 'one-off' operations banned on LUL in the first place.

I'd endorse that sentiment! The questions may have an interest value, but it would be useful if people thought through the potential ramifications of such questions and then judged if it was wise to raise such issues!

Here here.

To be fair, SeanB, according to his profile, is only 16, so maybe isn't/wasn't as aware of some of the older members of the forum of the potential ramifications of his throwaway comment...

[uzairjubilee]

21146, why are the photo opportunities limited?

I will definitely be there! Sounds fantastic!

[Tubeboy]

Eight staff from the Jubilee line are being given a chance to go for free on this run [4 on each trip]. You have to submit an email to the Support manager [Forum rules dictate I cant post their name] If your name is drawn, then you get a ticket.

[Dstock7080]

Jul 17, 2009 14:25:11 GMT uzairjubilee said:

21146, why are the photo opportunities limited?

Platform edge doors was probably the thinking?

[21146]

Exactly! Mind you there is a road bridge west (due south) of West Ham which allows a good overview in both directions.

[norbitonflyer]

Jul 15, 2009 18:45:01 GMT @21146 said:

Of course the photo opportunities are a bit limited on the JLE so need to be considered carefully.

Anywhere north of Canning Town should be ok!

Stratford to West Hampstead eh?
Danger - thread merge ahead
Is there anywhere you could get 38TS and a 378 in the same shot? (Assuming they're actually running by then)

[astock5000]

Jul 17, 2009 18:52:32 GMT norbitonflyer said:

Stratford to West Hampstead eh?
Danger - thread merge ahead
Is there anywhere you could get 38TS and a 378 in the same shot? (Assuming they're actually running by then)

You won't be able to see them together at Stratford, because Overground trains are now using the new platforms at Stratford on the other side of the station, and at West Hampstead, the Met/Jubilee goes over the NLL to the north of the Jubilee line station. Also, there won't be that many 378s in service by then, so even if there was somewhere you could see the 38TS and the NLL from, it isn't that likely that a 378 will be there at the same time as the 38TS.

[Deleted]

Arghh... I'd love to go on this, especially to see Charing Cross. Alas, funds are depleted.

[Deleted]

Tickets for this now appear to be on sale, see www.ltmuseum.co.uk/whatson/121.aspx

Got mine for journey 1, I'm just glad my company offers flexible working so I can get out for a few hours in the middle of the day, without needing to book leave.

[Chris M]

I've just booked my tickets for journey 1 as well - see you there!

[happybunny]

I just rang to check if there is any discount for staff and there isn't anything !

[Colin]

I'm not being funny here, but why would you want a discount? Your ticket money goes towards it's upkeep - surely you'd be happy to pay the full price given the cause? I know I would.

I'd really love to get on the 38ts but I'm either working (and can't swap as it's always a weekend job) or I never seem to know if I'm available (I'm currently line controller training and won't know what I'm doing in August yet).

[happybunny]

I agree about the upkeep. But usually don't they run a 'staff-only' trip when they do these things? Which is usually free (or V.cheap)?

Since there not this time id have thought we would get a little bit of discount for the main one.

For £30.90 I could go from Waterloo all the way to Portsmouth, take the ferry to Ryde, then get a '38 stock' to Shanklin, and then do the return back to London. That seems better value to get a ride on the same train! I think the reason its quite expensive is the bit to Charing Cross disused.