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Post by deadmans on Oct 27, 2009 9:29:51 GMT
IT has to happen so here are the details.  NO A STOCK DUE TO BE SCRAPPED BEFORE TRAIN 6 OF THE S STOCK IS IN FULL SERVICE. For various reasons the disposal date is being treated as the service withdrawal date. ( not the scrapping date ). The schedule takes into account - the last time the unit was lifted ( Programme lift ), component recovery, and the S stock timetable for service introduction. If the S Stock goes very well these units could go up to three months ahead of the dates shown. The first five to leave service should be: 5132. 16.08.2010 5179. 16.08.2010 5142. 24.08.2010 5207. 24.08.2010 5048. 01.09.2010. The last five to leave service should be. 5106. 16.01.2012 5118. 16.01.2012 5234. 16.01.2012 5136. 16.01.2012 5062. 16.01.2012 There are 10 units set to go on 16.01.2012, so the last in service date for the A60'S in now much clearer. Nearly all the last units are the double ended de - icer units for obvious reasons. 116 units are on the list, if users require details on one unit, i can provide these at no extra cost. ;D |
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Post by tubeprune on Oct 27, 2009 11:42:54 GMT
Very interesting. Perhaps the stabling plan has now been agreed? [speculation mode] They need 26 additional spaces over what is currently available. How about this:-
+ 5 in Neasden without track alterations
+ 5 more in Neasden if they moved 5 x 96TS into WPk Sidings but this would require shunting through NN.
+ 2 Watford with signalling alterations
+ 1 Ealing Broadway
+ 10 Lillie Bridge (expensive)
+ 3 Upminster
[/speculation mode] Lists from other speculators are available. :-)
When the fully upgraded signalling is installed on both Met and Jubilee, Neasden will be a real nightmare to operate to get all the trains in and out of service.
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Post by deadmans on Oct 27, 2009 11:50:42 GMT
Very interesting. Perhaps the stabling plan has now been agreed? [speculation mode] They need 26 additional spaces over what is currently available. How about this:- + 5 in Neasden without track alterations + 5 more in Neasden if they moved 5 x 96TS into WPk Sidings but this would require shunting through NN. + 2 Watford with signalling alterations + 1 Ealing Broadway + 10 Lillie Bridge (expensive) + 3 Upminster [/speculation mode] Lists from other speculators are available. :-) When the fully upgraded signalling is installed on both Met and Jubilee, Neasden will be a real nightmare to operate to get all the trains in and out of service. Also bear in mind the closure of parts of the depot to build the new sheds, starting with the south. IT does not help when the project is two years late.  |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 27, 2009 13:12:55 GMT
Perhaps the stabling plan has now been agreed? [speculation mode] They need 26 additional spaces over what is currently available. How about this:- + 5 in Neasden without track alterations + 5 more in Neasden if they moved 5 x 96TS into WPk Sidings but this would require shunting through NN. + 2 Watford with signalling alterations + 1 Ealing Broadway + 10 Lillie Bridge (expensive) + 3 Upminster I hear a further look is being made at Triangle, possibly 2-3 roads to stay with altered trackwork? |
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Post by metman on Oct 27, 2009 18:43:06 GMT
Oh my God, so early! Which unit is being preserved?
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Post by a60 on Oct 27, 2009 20:00:47 GMT
What about?  5173. 27.05.2007 Why is 5132 going first? It doesn't seem all that unreliable, also can you give me an approximate time at which 5130 will go? I like that unit!!!! Thanks.... |
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Post by citysig on Oct 27, 2009 20:46:59 GMT
5 more in Neasden if they moved 5 x 96TS into WPk Sidings but this would require shunting through NN. + 2 Watford with signalling alterations The first is never going to happen (there are, as you hint at, enough problems foreseen in getting the Jub service in and out of Neasden without increasing paths) and the other does not require signalling alterations (the sidings are actually long enough even once new arrestors are fitted, and don't forget you can stable 2 trains on 24 road.) |
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Post by towerman on Oct 27, 2009 20:54:18 GMT
Has the plan to double up stabling roads at Stanmore,to release room for S stock,been shelved?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2009 22:54:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2009 23:13:13 GMT
Two more can be stabled at South Harrow is they move the 83TS. |
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Post by metman on Oct 28, 2009 0:58:00 GMT
Isn't Sth Harrow thought of as an unprotected area!
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Post by citysig on Oct 28, 2009 9:02:20 GMT
Has the plan to double up stabling roads at Stanmore,to release room for S stock,been shelved? Officially, the Stanmore plan was more from the direction of "when the Jubilee loose Neasden depot as a facility" rather than a plan to be able to stable S-stocks. Whilst kicking the Jubilee out of Neasden was always a plan for the future (when we were fully PPP etc.) I think cost-cutting has made it cheaper to allow them to stay in the depot rather than altering the sidings. Then again, Stanmore will of course get re-signalled anyway, so never say never... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 19:47:31 GMT
Very interesting. Perhaps the stabling plan has now been agreed? [speculation mode] They need 26 additional spaces over what is currently available. How about this:- + 5 in Neasden without track alterations + 5 more in Neasden if they moved 5 x 96TS into WPk Sidings but this would require shunting through NN. + 2 Watford with signalling alterations + 1 Ealing Broadway + 10 Lillie Bridge (expensive) + 3 Upminster [/speculation mode] Lists from other speculators are available. :-) When the fully upgraded signalling is installed on both Met and Jubilee, Neasden will be a real nightmare to operate to get all the trains in and out of service. Talking to the ealing Common DDM last night I was told an additional road is going to ba added alongside A road and the middle sheds are going to be knocked down in work starting early next year at Ealing common Depot. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2009 14:01:18 GMT
The sidings at Ealing Broadway will be back into full working order and also Triangle is getting a closed as they will not fit this is why Lillie bridge is being converted into stabling sidings
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Post by Tom on Oct 29, 2009 21:37:54 GMT
Ealing Bdy could be interesting - I did a track walk there earlier this year and we were wondering if any work would be needed before we plan to stick engineer's vehicles on them next year.
I was personally surprised the road didn't split when two Engineer's trains were on them a couple of years ago!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 12:53:58 GMT
the track condition is in a sorry state
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 18:59:22 GMT
Wembley Park sidings are likely to be used to stable 'A' stock in the future, not 96 stock, but I believe only 3 roads are fit for purpose.
Watford can accomodate 1 more train post December 13th
Uxbridge can also take one more, with the 73 stock being nominated to stable on the shorter road (38 road?)
not sure the withdrawl dates will run as described. Not just a case of getting 'S' stock delivered, also the case of where can it be used and by when!!!
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Post by Ben on Oct 30, 2009 19:12:29 GMT
How comes only 3 of the sidings at Wembley are fit for purpose? Theyre relatively new arent they?
I'm curious as to whether additional stabling can be found around South Kensington/ Gloucester Road where the formation has had in the past several extra tracks/sidings (Not triangle). What about stabling some at Ruislip depot, like the A stock was when Uxb was out of commission?
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Post by metman on Oct 31, 2009 1:09:36 GMT
Ben, the problem with the 5 roads north of Wembley is that they are too short for the S stock. Trackwork would have to be rationalised to allow 3 trains to use the space. This is the most realistic option as the JL trains will be cut off from Met metals with ATO.
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Post by Ben on Oct 31, 2009 6:42:54 GMT
I remember the point about Wembley being too short for S stock, but I'm suprised that only 3 As can stable there as only three roads are fit for purpose :S Sorry, should have elaborated!  |
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Post by citysig on Oct 31, 2009 10:51:08 GMT
Hang on, let's not get our As and Ss mixed up Currently 5 A-stocks can stable in Wembley Sidings. Allegedly, only 3 S-stocks will be able to stable there, but nobody has forwarded any detailed plans on how this is to be done - whether that is roads ripped up and others slewed, or the 3 longest roads used or whatever... The forward thinking that went into those new sidings is quite amazing ;D |
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Post by metman on Nov 1, 2009 0:26:55 GMT
Well, as I passed on Friday I could sort of see how if the whole throat was ripped up if could be realigned for 3 'S' roads! Great forward plannng MetControl |
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Post by happybunny on Nov 1, 2009 7:19:46 GMT
Hang on, let's not get our As and Ss mixed up Currently 5 A-stocks can stable in Wembley Sidings. I think it was this that confused people (myself included) into thinking only 3 A stocks can stable in Wembley Sidings currently: Wembley Park sidings are likely to be used to stable 'A' stock in the future, not 96 stock, but I believe only 3 roads are fit for purpose. |
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Post by SE13 on Nov 1, 2009 13:07:10 GMT
Will they actually keep any odds and sods from the trains when they get scrapped, or does the whole lot go?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2009 13:17:09 GMT
As far as I know, at the moment, NO ´A´ stock can "stable" at Wembley Park sidings.
trains can recess there during return event traffic (with a train op on board), but stabling as in the sense of a train op leaving or joining the train there, cannot be done at the moment as (AFIAK) no agreed walk time for the purpose of booking on/off times exists
Allied to this, and in terms of future stabling of A stock, 3 are likely to stable there, the reason it is 3 and not 5, is ... (not 100% on this but think this is correct) ... only 3 roads have a raised board between them (or have the space to create one prior to overnight stabling) as this is required to allow train ops to exit/embark the trains in a safe manner.
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Post by metman on Nov 1, 2009 13:58:59 GMT
Will they actually keep any odds and sods from the trains when they get scrapped, or does the whole lot go? Parts will be kept in the short term to keep the rest going. Good components will be swapped with worse ones as trains are withdrawn. The A stock does not share any parts with other trains other than the A62 reavell compressors which it shares with some of the C69 stock, all the C77 stock and the 1967-72 tube stock. Sadly it will all go, unless I can get my mits on any of it.  |
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Post by citysig on Nov 1, 2009 14:17:12 GMT
As far as I know, at the moment, NO ´A´ stock can "stable" at Wembley Park sidings. trains can recess there during return event traffic (with a train op on board), but stabling as in the sense of a train op leaving or joining the train there, cannot be done at the moment as (AFIAK) no agreed walk time for the purpose of booking on/off times exists The sidings (all 5 of them) were used just a couple of months ago when Neasden depot was experiencing signalling problems within the depot. There is nothing preventing outstabling of trains in the sidings overnight, and when it comes to walk times, they do, I believe, remain as they were when the sidings were surrounded by brick walls. Failing this, you simply need to get the train in there with ample time for the driver to get off and return to the DMT. At present, there are no "booked" stablers, and as none of the duty sheets include "booked" walking time to/from the sheds. But a little common sense always goes a long way. |
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Post by SE13 on Nov 1, 2009 16:06:38 GMT
Will they actually keep any odds and sods from the trains when they get scrapped, or does the whole lot go? Parts will be kept in the short term to keep the rest going. Good components will be swapped with worse ones as trains are withdrawn. The A stock does not share any parts with other trains other than the A62 reavell compressors which it shares with some of the C69 stock, all the C77 stock and the 1967-72 tube stock. Sadly it will all go, unless I can get my mits on any of it. Interesting. In effect, they could actually sell on (scrap, call it what you will) a perfectly serviceable unit...... Shame I'm stoney broke, otherwise I'd be biting the hands off LU when they scrap the 73 stock. Begs the question as to how much they would want for a DM unit, given that unless someone buys it, it'll go for pence anyway. |
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Post by North End on Nov 1, 2009 17:02:43 GMT
As far as I know, at the moment, NO ´A´ stock can "stable" at Wembley Park sidings. trains can recess there during return event traffic (with a train op on board), but stabling as in the sense of a train op leaving or joining the train there, cannot be done at the moment as (AFIAK) no agreed walk time for the purpose of booking on/off times exists The sidings (all 5 of them) were used just a couple of months ago when Neasden depot was experiencing signalling problems within the depot. There is nothing preventing outstabling of trains in the sidings overnight, and when it comes to walk times, they do, I believe, remain as they were when the sidings were surrounded by brick walls. Failing this, you simply need to get the train in there with ample time for the driver to get off and return to the DMT. At present, there are no "booked" stablers, and as none of the duty sheets include "booked" walking time to/from the sheds. But a little common sense always goes a long way. How do trains get prepped when outstabled at WP sidings? The reason I ask is because on the rare occasions Northern Line trains end up in Golders Green 24/25 sidings or Edgware 16 sidings, there's always a big deal made about how they must get back to the depot come what may. I always assumed it was because Alstom charge extra for preparing a train away from the normal locations. |
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Post by slugabed on Nov 1, 2009 17:31:56 GMT
Begs the question as to how much they would want for a DM unit, given that unless someone buys it, it'll go for pence anyway. Minus the traction equipment (all that lovely copper) I'd imagine a few hundred quid.......certainly not much more than £1,000. Mind you,definitely "buyer collects".....! |
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