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Post by oldoaktree on Nov 19, 2010 20:27:29 GMT
Hello people. I'm relatively new to this forum...well as of a few days and so hope my posting a new topic of inquiry is acceptable. I have looked through threads...there is some very fascinating and helpful information...particularly historic references. Thanks to those people sharing all this material. Hopeing the Northern line thread is the right place. My question is a shot in the dark really, as an ex LUL employee ( Northern line Guard 1991-93) , I wonder is there any possibility of access to past 'traffic circulars' in any form....virtual or preferably hardcopy? If anyone could advise me I'd be very grateful. The period again is approx December 92-April 93? I have no recollection of the exact issue No, however my reason is really one of sentiment, myself and a fellow guard recieved very good results in our Voluntary train equiptment classes ( White City RTC) with a recognition being published in one circular...probably about late March/ early April 1993. I never recieved the relevant copy...returning from annual leave to find none available and didn't unfortuanately give it much thought at the time....  ? Now, a bit late, but still....Thanks to anyone with any thoughts  |
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Post by harlesden on Nov 19, 2010 22:50:46 GMT
Are you certain it was a TC in which the mention was made? Never known a TC containing anything other than actual traffic related content - engineering work, speed restrictions etc.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 23:18:43 GMT
Lists of Voluntary Class passes were regularly published in the Traffic Circular in the 1960s and 1970s but have no idea when it ended. Yours truly was in the list a few times in the 1960s - not under this name of course!
In present day Traffic Circulars there have been lists of staff who have submitted nominations.
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Post by oldoaktree on Nov 20, 2010 22:04:12 GMT
Hello and thanks for your replies. My only knowledge is based on what several colleagues at Morden told me upon my return from annual leave around April 93.......that my name and a class mates had been published in the previous TC. Generally my understanding was that the publication principally was for notification of Engineering works/ line restrictions etc. There were none of that issue left and I didnt think more of it at the time  The only other matter was that the notice said I would be recieving a certificate....well I never did and again didn't think about it as I unfortunately left soon afterwards I found at Morden some of the TCMs ( or should I say DCMs) really friendly and helpful, whilst some were not so! Am I correct in thinking the WCTC in wood lane no longer exists? Thanks again anyway. |
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Post by Colin on Nov 21, 2010 2:37:37 GMT
Am I correct in thinking the WCTC in wood lane no longer exists? Yes - it's long gone. I started on LU in April 2001 and it was long gone even then. I have a suspicion there's a shiny new(ish) shopping centre on the site now, but someone else will have to confirm or deny that..... |
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Post by harlesden on Nov 21, 2010 9:48:19 GMT
Did my Booking Office training at WCTC in 1990 having gotten a transfer from LRT Catering due to imminent privatisation.  (White City Training Centre)  (Exterior view of Baker Street Canteen). Canteen occupied the ground floor, door nearest camera is a staff entrance while the door further along was the bus crew entrance. Train crews entered/exited via Baker Street station platforms 1-4. Buses would park immediately outside - usually 2/2B and 74 |
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Post by 21146 on Nov 21, 2010 15:42:16 GMT
Results were definitely published in the T/C and I remember it well doing 5 different sets of courses in the late-1980s. My finest hour was "Pass with Honours" for Operating Problems, which entitled me to a book token as well as the certificate. The latter were rubbish, by the way, just printed on thin blue paper using the then new media of Desktop Publishing. In earlier years I believe proper printed thin card versions were awarded. In any case, Voluntary Classes were yet another positive aspect of LT Railways killed off by the Company Plan (that again), since such "extra-curricular" activity wasn't part of the Instructors job description or contract.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2010 16:52:22 GMT
Am I correct in thinking the WCTC in wood lane no longer exists? Yes - it's long gone. I started on LU in April 2001 and it was long gone even then. I have a suspicion there's a shiny new(ish) shopping centre on the site now, but someone else will have to confirm or deny that..... Debenhams now sits where the RTC used to be. |
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Post by 21146 on Nov 21, 2010 17:25:40 GMT
Did my Booking Office training at WCTC in 1990 having gotten a transfer from LRT Catering due to imminent privatisation. (White City Training Centre) (Exterior view of Baker Street Canteen). Canteen occupied the ground floor, door nearest camera is a staff entrance while the door further along was the bus crew entrance. Train crews entered/exited via Baker Street station platforms 1-4. Buses would park immediately outside - usually 2/2B and 74 Plus the Green Line 709! IIRC there was a very rare LT "Coach Stand" bus stop flag there too provided for the purpose. When I was on the H&C we took meal reliefs in the company of Met, Bakerloo and Jubilee Line trainstaff as well as LT (and LCBS) bus crews. Now all the (still in-house) LU train crews have gone from there, yet the (privatised) bus drivers remain. |
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Post by railtechnician on Nov 21, 2010 19:30:15 GMT
Am I correct in thinking the WCTC in wood lane no longer exists? Yes - it's long gone. I started on LU in April 2001 and it was long gone even then. I have a suspicion there's a shiny new(ish) shopping centre on the site now, but someone else will have to confirm or deny that..... Yep long gone along with 10A Wood Lane next door which was the offices for HT Mains and other Power sections before they were transferred to Seeboard Powerlink, S&E Training Division and also housed the main Signal Stores before it was relocated to Acton Works. Of course one piece of the site remains, known I believe as 10B Wood Lane and looking a bit like a security hut at the site entrance. I refer of course to the Central Line Control Room unless it has been relocated since I was last near or by it in the late 1990s. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2010 19:37:08 GMT
Am I correct in thinking the WCTC in wood lane no longer exists? Yes - it's long gone. I started on LU in April 2001 and it was long gone even then. I have a suspicion there's a shiny new(ish) shopping centre on the site now, but someone else will have to confirm or deny that..... White City training centre went some time in the first half of 1996 - I joined July 1996 and trained at Ashfield House, but a colleague who joined earlier the same year trained at White City. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2010 23:30:48 GMT
Did my Booking Office training at WCTC in 1990 having gotten a transfer from LRT Catering due to imminent privatisation. Harlesden have you seen this? www.ltmcollection.org/films/film/film.html?IXfilm=FLO.0006&_IXSESSION_=L7bxCH5mvptI know it's been posted on here before and many would have seen it but it's awesome! Proper cooks and proper food, when I have been through the canteens as they are now I don't fancy getting anything at all. When I have been on courses or whatnot at Ashfield I usually use Greggs or Tesco down the road. Last thing I had in an LU place was a breakfast at 55 Broadway earlier this year, for the price it was I didn't think that much of it. |
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Post by harlesden on Nov 21, 2010 23:52:09 GMT
Croydon FPC had gone by 1983 and food was purchased in from the same suppliers used by commercial caterers. There was still quite a lot of "home cooking" going on, but with the end of centralized food production and distribution, each canteen became more autonomous, with the individual canteen supervisor choosing the menu and ensuring the dishes were either prepared or available. However, the choice of supplier and the lines purchased was centralised.
The worst thing that happened to canteens - prior to privatisation - was the mysterious replacing of experienced hands-on supervisors with canteen managers - young graduates with no knowledge of canteen routine and no supervisory experience.
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Post by oldoaktree on Nov 25, 2010 17:08:16 GMT
Hello people and thanks for all the replies....I didn't rely know what to expect, but some really interesting information has come, so thanks again. Although, I would say its rather sad. I never recieved the 'thin blue paper' certificate....! Ashfield house I'm afraid has brought back a rather unhappy memory in that, around about 99/2000, realising I regreted leaving my guards post, I applied for the then 'Driver recruitment campaign'. I know LUL were keen to recruite women...but I thought that my having worked in the capacity of guard, having kept a good record and gaining a distinction in train equiptment classes, I might just be in with a chance. Unfortunately, I was failed on my 'English test' at the beginning of the interview day  . I suspect some 'positive' discrimination, no way to treat anyone. Perhaps I should have challanged that, but it seemed quite militant and a handful of other fellows were also shown the door. Says a lot for the 'theology degree' I had gained....not worth the paper its printed on. Anyway, thanks again for the replies. |
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Post by 21146 on Nov 25, 2010 17:32:46 GMT
Of course either the LT Musuem or TFL Archives might have T/C back numbers in their collections.
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Post by oldoaktree on Nov 29, 2010 19:18:59 GMT
Thanks 21146, that's a very good suggestion. |
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? Now, a bit late, but still....Thanks to anyone with any thoughts 
The only other matter was that the notice said I would be recieving a certificate....well I never did and again didn't think about it as I unfortunately left soon afterwards 
. I suspect some 'positive' discrimination, no way to treat anyone. Perhaps I should have challanged that, but it seemed quite militant and a handful of other fellows were also shown the door. Says a lot for the 'theology degree' I had gained....not worth the paper its printed on. 
