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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2013 0:21:07 GMT
I'd be tempted to tunnel the Piccadilly out to Wimbledon and have it run as a express route of sorts with a few interchanges. Tube tunnels should be cheaper, and fewer underground stations would save on money as well, and it could then surface to take over Sutton or somesuch far easier than the District could, or given modern tunnel requirements, have them swap over so the District can run in the fast tunnel and let the Piccadilly serve the surface stations and terminate at Wimbledon. Jamie, mine is a more limited scheme. But we are now well into RIPAS territory. Can we take any further discussion over there. Thanks, DW. |
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Post by flippyff on Aug 31, 2013 17:17:55 GMT
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Post by melikepie on Dec 20, 2013 12:32:40 GMT
According to the Jan edition of Modern Railways, Eurostar is up for sale (?) and the money from that could be used to partly fund the extension.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 14:39:37 GMT
Yes the UK government are selling their stake in Eurostar and the money will be used for various infrastructure projects
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Post by melikepie on Dec 23, 2013 14:40:38 GMT
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Post by DWS on Dec 23, 2013 20:21:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 12:59:00 GMT
I personally think it's silly not to have an interchange station at Vauxhall. I am curious if there will be provision for extending the line further to Clapham Junction should the finance become available.
Perhaps a proper feasibility study based on DLR Bank-Victoria-Clapham Junction and the Northern extension Kennington-Vauxhall-Battersea-Clapham Junction should be done to test what extra patronage the network as a whole will receive, and whether or not it is adequately distributed so as to not to compound overcrowding as per the Vic. Maybe it's too impractical or costly to take the route too close to Vauxhall but it would be a shame if it was simply crossing off the interchange option now and a future possibility of it. Yes the developer wants it and will pay for it but I can see the taxpayer bailing the scheme out if it ever gets off the ground.
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 1, 2014 15:20:39 GMT
I personally think it's silly not to have an interchange station at Vauxhall. I am curious if there will be provision for extending the line further to Clapham Junction should the finance become available. I understand there is, but whether the people paying for the thing would be happy that their clients would find the trains already full before they reach Battersea may be a showstopper in it happening. I agree the Victoria line could use some help in dealing with passengers changing from SW trains
I understand the problem is that it would attract more people on to the Vic as it would take off. I see the same problem at the propsed CR2/Northern Line interchange at Tooting Broadway: far from relieving the Northern Line by taking a few Morden and Colliers Wood passengers onto CR2, CR2 will instead feed half of Surrey onto the Northern Line.
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Post by mikebuzz on May 6, 2014 15:55:29 GMT
The DLR wouldn't be able to cope as its trains are so small! [/i][/quote] I'm more in favour now of extending the DLR to meet the Moorgate-Finsbury Park route and take it over. With the coming of Crossrail 2 through Clapham Junction, the Battersea extension of the NL can hopefully go there too without being overloaded. |
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Post by flippyff on May 21, 2014 21:50:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 13:42:24 GMT
In that link it says it will be open in 2020, Crossrail was scheduled for 2017 or has it slipped?
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Post by rsdworker on May 22, 2014 14:21:17 GMT
crossrail its should be on time - the tunnels are working on it
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Post by crusty54 on May 22, 2014 19:20:57 GMT
Attended an update on the extension this wee.
There is passive provision for an extension to Clapham Junction in that the overrun tunnels go that way for the minimum possible distance.
The project will not go any further and any future link will not be started until Crossrail 2 is built. The developers in the area are paying big money for the extension and will want seats to be available on the trains.
The successful contractor(s) will probably be chosen in July.
The service will only be 18 trains per hour until the Northern line is split at Camden Town and almost double afterwards.
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Post by melikepie on Sept 18, 2014 20:08:04 GMT
Having just received an e-mail regarding the extension, the TWAO application decision is expected within the next couple of months. If all goes according to plan, a contractor has been awarded the project with construction hoped to start spring next year up to 2019, testing in 2019 and the whole project running in 2020, subject to funding and permission
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 18:46:37 GMT
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Post by melikepie on Nov 13, 2014 13:14:01 GMT
Something I don't get in regards to zoning. It has been confirmed Nine Elms and Battersea will both be in zone 1. Vauxhall is directly north of them and yet is on the Zone 1/2 border. Shouldn't this be moved to Zone 1?
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Post by rincew1nd on Nov 14, 2014 13:27:33 GMT
There is a separate thread on zones here, possibly inspired by the above question. Posts in this thread have been moved to that one, so that we can keep to the extension here rather than getting sidetracked. |
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Post by melikepie on Mar 17, 2015 12:25:42 GMT
Text taken directly from the March Newsletter
The Northern line extension will support the regeneration of Vauxhall, Nine Elms and Battersea and help create up to 25,000 jobs and 18,000 homes.
Local jobs and apprenticeships are a key priority. We have spoken with local authorities, job brokerages and our supply chain to staff the construction of the Northern line extension. The project will support around 1,000 jobs and 50 apprenticeships.
Our contractor Ferrovial Agroman Laing O’Rouke (FLO) will have a team of around 500 people at the busiest period of construction.
We recently attended a careers expo at South Bank University where Wandsworth and Lambeth school and college students were able to find out about career opportunities and apprenticeships. We also attended a similar event for students in Southwark and Lambeth at Goldsmith’s University of London.
Where will we be working?
We are working at four main sites in
Lambeth, Wandsworth and Southwark
alongside local communities.
The main worksites are:
? Kennington Park
? Kennington Green
? Nine Elms, next to Wandsworth Road and
Pascal Street
? Battersea Power Station
Over the next three months, works at these sites
will include:
? Clearing and setting up the site
? Diverting utility services
? Putting up hoardings
? Unexploded Ordnance Surveys
? Archaeological surveys
? Pile proving (checking for obstructions when
carrying out piling)
? Making arrangements for measuring and
monitoring possible movement in buildings
We have been working closely with utility services,
and local authorities to ensure we keep disruption
to a minimum.
Kennington
We are creating two permanent shafts at
Kennington Park and Kennington Green to
provide ventilation, cooling and emergency
access to the tunnels.
At Kennington Green, work over the next
three months includes:
? Relocating a post box
? Removing a pedestrian crossing
At Kennington Park, work over the next three
months includes:
? A new temporary electricity substation
? Diverting a gas main
? Relocating the dog walking area in the park
and Bee Urban (works led by Lambeth
Council)
? Demolishing the lodge
Nine Elms and Battersea
We are building two new stations at:
? Battersea, next to Battersea Park Road and the new power station development
? Nine Elms, on Wandsworth Road next to a new Sainsbury’s
At Battersea, work over the next three months includes:
? Setting up site accommodation
? Installing a conveyor (70 per cent of material from the tunnels will be moved by river from Battersea)
At Nine Elms, work over the next three months includes:
? Demolishing the boiler house
? Relocating the electricity substation
We are holding a public exhibition to showcase the design of the new Nine Elms station and our initial concepts for the residential development above the station.
Visit Tate South Lambeth Library, 180 South Lambeth Road, SW8 1QP on one of the following dates to find out more:
? Thursday 19 March –15:00 to 20:00
? Friday 20 March – 14:00 to 18:00
? Saturday 21 March – 10:00 to 16:00
You can also give your views between 16 March and 7 April by visiting tfl.gov.uk/northern-line-extension
Considerate construction
TfL and FLO are committed to reducing the impact of construction on the local area.
Plans for the four main work sites detail how we’re dealing with a range of issues such as site layout, traffic management, noise and vibration, air quality, sustainable travel, ecology, archaeology and heritage.
These plans build on documents produced for the Transport and Works Act Order public inquiry and are based on best practice and legislation.
Following four drop-in sessions, resident meetings and an online survey, we received 147 comments on our proposals. The plans have now been submitted to local authorities for approval.
Tunnelling and ground movement
Understandably, some residents may have concerns about the potential impact of tunnelling works on their properties.
We have extensive experience of how the ground behaves when tunnels, shafts and station boxes are constructed and how to minimise the effects of ground movement.
Defect surveys will be carried out by a qualified chartered surveyor on properties predicted to experience 1mm or more of settlement.
More information is available at tfl.gov.uk/northern-line-extension
Transforming the Northern line
Timeline
The extension includes more than 3km of new tunnels connecting to the existing Northern line at Kennington and two new stations at Nine Elms and Battersea.
The extension is part of a massive investment programme to transform the Northern line which includes:
? A signalling upgrade which has achieved a 20 per cent increase in capacity through central London
? A 24-hour Tube service on Fridays and Saturdays from September
? Plans to rebuild Tube stations that are critical to improving capacity and supporting regeneration. These include Tottenham Court Road, Bank, Camden Town and Elephant & Castle
2014
Transport and Works Act Order decision
2015
Main works start
2016
Tunnelling starts
2017
Tunnelling complete
2018
Station fit out
2019
Testing and commissioning
2020
Extension in operation
Community Liaison Groups
The following Community Liaison Groups meet regularly to provide residents, businesses and councillors with an opportunity to find out more about the Northern line extension:
? Kennington Park and Newington
? Kennington Green
? Nine Elms and Oval
? Battersea
? Core Group – An overall liaison group that considers route-wide issues
Residents are welcome. Presentations, minutes and details of upcoming meetings are on our website. Find out more at tfl.gov.uk/northern-line-extension
Staying in touch
For more information and to register for updates on the scheme, visit tfl.gov.uk/northern-line-extension
You can also email the project team at nle@tfl.gov.uk or call our helpdesk on
0343 222 2424.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 15:36:53 GMT
Text taken directly from the March Newsletter ... ? Unexploded Ordnance Surveys ... "This map will self-destruct in 30 seconds ..." I think those last two words don't need the capitals.  |
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Post by melikepie on Mar 17, 2015 16:59:01 GMT
I was really thinking that when I read that, my Explorers would really become volatile.
Btw, they really are capitalised in the newsletter
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Post by flippyff on Mar 20, 2015 22:05:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 21:51:10 GMT
Initially, I read that and imagined somebody from TfL going to a TBM and saying "You WILL tunnel the Northern Line extension". Then I realised that 'ordered' means to procure as well as to command...  |
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Post by melikepie on Jun 2, 2015 22:34:43 GMT
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 2, 2015 22:52:42 GMT
Does that mean that the funds are not borrowed, as such, so will be cheaper to repay?
Simon
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Post by grahamhewett on Jun 3, 2015 8:03:45 GMT
Does that mean that the funds are not borrowed, as such, so will be cheaper to repay? Simon Bonds still have to be repaid - eventually, although the article doesn't say whether the term is fixed. (I have just been repaid the bonds my grandfather bought during WW1 to finance the War effort - there was no fixed repayment date for that, but they had to be repaid at par, despite having traded at a fraction of their nominal value for many years because of their low fixed interest rate.) |
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 3, 2015 19:54:41 GMT
Thanks. For reasons totally OT for this thread I thought that a fixed term low interest rate loan would represent a better way to pay for the new extension.
Simon
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Post by grahamhewett on Jun 3, 2015 20:59:03 GMT
I doubt if we shall ever find out the figures behind the choice of instrument! I guess the determining factor would be which particular form of coupon would enable the bonds to be placed to raise more money at the time of launch - and that would depend in turn on buyers' views on whether the bonds' resale value would have to sink to maintain yields, as in the case of my grandfather's stock.
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Post by silverfoxcc on Oct 28, 2015 10:48:00 GMT
I understand that all boring machine arenamed in the feminine. does anyone know if the two for this project have been chosen yet, as i have a stonking suggestion for one of them, or even both!!!And someone special to name them as well.
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Post by superteacher on Oct 28, 2015 21:34:16 GMT
I understand that all boring machine arenamed in the feminine. does anyone know if the two for this project have been chosen yet, as i have a stonking suggestion for one of them, or even both!!!And someone special to name them as well. Sounds intriguing! As long as we are referring to female borers as opposed to females who bore . . .  |
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Post by A60stock on Dec 4, 2015 13:03:16 GMT
does anyone know how the split will take place across the line once the extension opens, will the battersea line go to edgware and the bank line to high barnet? Or would this be a bad move as the option of both branches direct from each termini is no longer possible?
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