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Post by tom2506 on May 16, 2006 21:49:56 GMT
Does anybody know if preservation arrangements have been made for the stocks starting to be withdrawn in the next few years (eg. 67/72, A, C and D Stocks).
If not is it highly likely that there will be arrangements made or is preservation becoming a less common practice? I would hope that homes can be found for some units of the stock so that future enthusiasts can look at LU trains of the past just as we can today.
Also, it would be a terrible shame if withdrawn stock was left to rust in sidings.
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Post by prjb on May 16, 2006 21:54:23 GMT
That is a really good point. I have been thinking about that while working on the upgrades. As a self confessed 'C' stock enthusiast I would hate to see them all go with nothing left for heritage. I think it was a crime that 5606/6506 wasn't kept and restored to it's original unrefurbished condition, that would have been nice. Most of the withdrawn stock will be scrapped rather than left to rust though. I believe that some 67's may go off for a new lease of life on the Bakerloo? Just as the 72 Mk I's went off to the Vic.
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Post by tom2506 on May 16, 2006 22:07:03 GMT
Do you mean 67 trailers rather than whole trains? I'd imagine the drivers would love cruising down the Bakerloo with the vigilance button pressed!
I would love to see all the stocks I mentioned back in original condition. Shame they cant keep an unrefurbished D stock, but it would have an impact on the service I suppose.
Perhaps when an opportunity arises someone will snap some trains up and restore them to original state, as these are the first generation of stocks to have cosmetic refurbishments aren't they? Wouldn't that be great to see unrefurbished stock again, or for some people for the first time!
Another thing to note is that they will be the last of the durable stocks built for LU before the new generation of more breakable less durable stocks came in. I suppose the more technical things get the more breakable/less durable they are.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2006 22:23:45 GMT
Does anybody know if preservation arrangements have been made for the stocks starting to be withdrawn in the next few years (eg. 67/72, A, C and D Stocks). I suspect Cravens Hertiage Trains will take at least a 4 car A stock. Hmmmm imagine a 4 car A stock back in its unrefurb state?
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Post by Ben on May 17, 2006 10:18:21 GMT
I wont be happy unless I see a 12 car 'A' stock train composed of 5000-6000-6001-5001+5100-6100-6101-5101+5200-6200-6201-5201 This would give an example of a unit built in 60, 61, and 62 I've got a feeling this could work cos its two single ended units flanking a double ended unit
Still, its fun dreaming
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Post by mowat on May 17, 2006 11:12:34 GMT
I would like to see CHTL preserve a unit of A Stock, it would be nice if the first train to be built 5000-6000-6001-5001+5002-6002-6003-5003 is saved as a Metropolitan Line heritage train. I think that the LT Museum should save one dm car each of A,C,D,67,72mkII,& 73 stock, thay could put there 72mkI dm back to back whith a 72mkII dm to show the 67/72ts as built and refurb. ;D
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Post by prjb on May 17, 2006 20:29:26 GMT
Do you mean 67 trailers rather than whole trains? I'd imagine the drivers would love cruising down the Bakerloo with the vigilance button pressed. Just utilising trailers would only serve to lengthen the trains rather than create more stock. On the Victoria line 72 MkI's were utilised as middle motor/trailer cars which freed up real 67's to make up 'outer' units, thus making more trains. If you stuck 72 MkI's or 67's on the inside of 72MkII units you would again effectively create more trains to offer for service.
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Post by tom2506 on May 17, 2006 21:19:43 GMT
Ok, I didn't realize that they could use the other stocks of similar design but different years motor cars as the middle.
Were the until then unused 67 cabs from the middle of the trains nice and clean compared to the ones which had seen lots of use?
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Post by prjb on May 18, 2006 19:26:35 GMT
To be honest, I'm not sure as I have never worked operationally on the Vic. I would imagine if it was like other lines that some units were quite grubby in the middle and lacked bits of non-essential equipment which had been 'robbed' for other units. Typical items to be removed are drivers/trainers seats, heating/cooling units and the like, basically anything that wouldn't be needed for the middle cabs.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2006 20:56:35 GMT
It's rumoured that 72s may be sent to the Island Line to replace the current 38s, which, while being the classic tube stock, really are getting on in years. Whether any will be kept by preservation societies, not sure. There is the unrefurbished 67 carriage at the Walthamstow Pump House Museum, however.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2006 20:57:27 GMT
To be honest, I'm not sure as I have never worked operationally on the Vic. I would imagine if it was like other lines that some units were quite grubby in the middle and lacked bits of non-essential equipment which had been 'robbed' for other units. Typical items to be removed are drivers/trainers seats, heating/cooling units and the like, basically anything that wouldn't be needed for the middle cabs. Ironically middle cabs get more dirty than the cabs that are used regually because dirt and dust gets an opportunity to settle. But as prjb says on the whole a lot of equipment gets stolen to be used on other cabs.
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Post by Oracle on May 18, 2006 21:01:18 GMT
really are getting on in years. And can I add VERY RUSTY....blame Ryde Pier Head! Must be the same problem on Alderney? 59TS was talked about at one stage but that fell through...was it to do with worries about salty air and electrical components? The Standard Stock had the 'luxury' of componentry in the body.
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Post by tom2506 on May 18, 2006 21:31:34 GMT
I was watching the Tube on sky travel today and preservation came up. I was glad to see that the Great Ormond Street hospital had got an 83ts as their kids radio studio! Click here for further informationI personally would love to turn one of these into a living quarters!
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Post by prjb on May 18, 2006 21:43:35 GMT
Give LU a bell then, as we have still got a few 83's knocking around! ;D There is also some interesting stuff kicking around Acton Works, a really worse for wear 72 MkI four car, and some old Ryde Rail Standard Stock (I think its Standard? Anyone?).
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Post by c5 on May 18, 2006 21:45:26 GMT
Give LU a bell then, as we have still got a few 83's knocking around! ;D There is also some interesting stuff kicking around Acton Works, a really worse for wear 72 MkI four car, and some old Ryde Rail Standard Stock (I think its Standard? Anyone?). I think the 83's have been or are being moved away very soon. I'll goes halves on a C stock with you ;D especially if it's a rocker!
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Post by prjb on May 18, 2006 21:56:17 GMT
I'll goes halves on a C stock with you ;D especially if it's a rocker! Sounds like a deal, provided I can have your MEL computer - just to run over it with our shared 'C' Stock!! ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2006 1:39:23 GMT
Are any 59's preserved in museums or anything? I haven't seen one, although I know that someone has one outside their house. I know Cravens have a 62 which is nearly the same thing.
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Post by Tomcakes on May 19, 2006 13:19:54 GMT
I think one's in Morden depot, used as a meeting room or something.
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Post by Chris W on May 19, 2006 19:48:56 GMT
Are any 59's preserved in museums or anything? I haven't seen one, although I know that someone has one outside their house. I know Cravens have a 62 which is nearly the same thing. There's quite a few 59 & 62 stock units still around: DM1304 is privately owned & sits in the owners rear garden and is due to be restored in 1970's condition DM1030 & trailer 2044 (both part of LU heritage unit) are at Mangapps Farm railway DM'S1044 & 1045 transferred to the Alderney Railway (Channel Islands) in May 2001 (replacing 38ts stock which were scrapped) Info taken from 'London Underground Rolling Stock' by Brian Hardy (published by Capital Transport) 2002 Hope that helps
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Post by prjb on May 19, 2006 19:59:09 GMT
I operated that heritage train as a guard and a driver, it was a bit of a heap to be honest! Looked nice though.
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Post by mowat on May 22, 2006 13:30:46 GMT
Are any 59's preserved in museums or anything? I haven't seen one, although I know that someone has one outside their house. I know Cravens have a 62 which is nearly the same thing. 1304-2304-9305 and 1018*-2018 are owned by Roger Brown (an ex Piccadilly line motorman) 1304-2018-1018 are in his garden, 2304-9305 are in store 1305 is at the Sutton Hall Railway 1031 is still in Morden depot and is used as a classroom 1044-1045 are on the Alderney Railway 1030-2044 are at the Mangapps Farm Railway/Museum *This car DM 1018 was bought by the LT Museum in 2001 but was then turned down for a 1983 stock DM insted!
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Post by prjb on May 22, 2006 17:52:56 GMT
Who would have an 83 over a 59? Madness! The LT museum had a few 59 stock cabs turned into crude simulators, I taught my son how to drive. He was actually very good for a three year old but he did have trouble holding the deadman down!
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2006 18:44:19 GMT
How do you know, PRJB? Have you taught many 3 year olds? ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2006 19:25:03 GMT
I 'ad a go on the simulators too! Must say it was rather good. Stoped where I thought was the right place, only to be greeted with a voice telling me to pull forward to the end of the platform. Talk about 'inching up'!
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Post by prjb on May 22, 2006 20:21:01 GMT
How do you know, PRJB? Have you taught many 3 year olds? ;D Sam Well, if were talking mental ages.................. Just kidding! ;D
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Post by Tomcakes on May 22, 2006 20:47:00 GMT
"Your brakes are still on!"
(give me 5 minutes and i shall find the recording)
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Post by Tomcakes on May 22, 2006 20:53:43 GMT
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Post by whoosh on May 22, 2006 21:03:34 GMT
Oh my word, that brings back memories!!! They built a sort of CSLR cab simulator aswell, which if I remember didn't have very good brakes - cue station over-run!
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Post by mowat on May 23, 2006 15:21:48 GMT
Give LU a bell then, as we have still got a few 83's knocking around! ;D There is also some interesting stuff kicking around Acton Works, a really worse for wear 72 MkI four car, and some old Ryde Rail Standard Stock (I think its Standard? Anyone?). 13 Standard Stock cars are still whith us, some have been preserved others are just hanging around in Acton works going rusty. Initially only one car was preserved - DM 3327 and was placed on display in the Science Museum but is now at the LT Museums depot at Acton. To recreate a standard stock train pilot motors L131(3693), L134(3370) and IOW cars 27(5279) and 49(7296) are in the 'Depot' at Acton. Other cars are stored on the Acton works site, IOW cars 2(3706), 7(3209),44(7281) Pilot Motors L130(3690), L135(3701) and Personnel carriers PC850(7061), PC851(7063), PC855(7017) See this thread on Standard Stock. districtdave.proboards39.com/index.cgi?board=History&action=display&thread=1135775151
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Post by Chris W on May 23, 2006 20:19:18 GMT
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