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Post by Phil on May 26, 2006 10:17:53 GMT
What is the policy about which stock is fitted with whistles and which with hooters? At one stage I'm sure it was hooters for tubes and whistles for SS, but I was watching a video recently and a SS train (C stock I think) sounded a hooter.
Has the policy changed over the years? I assume no tube stock has has whistles (apart from the 38ts on the Island line). What about SS now and before?
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Post by Tomcakes on May 26, 2006 11:26:06 GMT
A lot of modern tube stocks have whistles I think - for example 72/73ts.
Though the 59ts on the Central video have hooters.
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Post by Tubeboy on May 26, 2006 11:48:21 GMT
Going slightly off topic, do tube drivers HAVE to whistle when exiting a tunnel section, I think they have to, not many on the Northern do, at Finchley or Golders. I know nr drivers dont have to blow the horn anymore in respect of tunnels.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2006 12:20:17 GMT
Going slightly off topic, do tube drivers HAVE to whistle when exiting a tunnel section, I think they have to, not many on the Northern do, at Finchley or Golders. I know nr drivers dont have to blow the horn anymore in respect of tunnels. Certainly on the District there is no requirement to whistle when exiting a tunnel, and there wasn't even when NR did (except of course where we ran on NR metals). AFAIK all Underground stocks have a whistle. C and D stocks certainly do.
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Post by Tubeboy on May 26, 2006 14:13:11 GMT
Dont you whistle when you come out of the tunnel, where the olympia branch diverges?
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Post by Tomcakes on May 26, 2006 14:15:19 GMT
I think there's a whistle board there.
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Post by setttt on May 26, 2006 14:30:06 GMT
I'm fairly sure whistle boards only take effect before 7pm or sunset - whichever is sooner (or so I've been told...).
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2006 14:55:05 GMT
There is indeed a whistle board just as you come out of the tunnel approaching Olympia.
Whistle boards apply 7am - 7 pm.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2006 18:51:33 GMT
On the central, there is a requirement to blow the whistle whenever you exit tunnels (apart from obvious places like Stratford...)
The 92TS is also fitted with a whistle, if anyone's interested...
Sam
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2006 20:30:33 GMT
The 92TS is also fitted with a whistle, if anyone's interested... Sam And sometimes they get stuck, necessitating the use of the WIC!
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Post by Tomcakes on May 26, 2006 20:40:51 GMT
Or a large hammer ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2006 20:49:29 GMT
A few kicks with a size 10 DM boot also solves the problem....
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Post by c5 on May 26, 2006 22:21:45 GMT
There is indeed a whistle board just as you come out of the tunnel approaching Olympia. Whistle boards apply 7am - 7 pm. Is that the one approaching West Ken too. Cos, when we were at Ashfield House once, our whole class used to raise one arm in acknowledgment. (Mainly to annoy the miserable person) ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2006 22:27:47 GMT
Is that the one approaching West Ken too. Cos, when we were at Ashfield House once, our whole class used to raise one arm in acknowledgment. (Mainly to annoy the miserable person) ;D Yep! There are W boards in both directions there. The one just leaving the tunnel mouth on the westbound, and the eastbound board is just round the corner from West Ken station. It always makes me smile when I see the trainees doing their trackwalk at West Ken. Blow the whistle and they immediately and simultaneously raise their arms like well trained soldiers! Not sure why I find it so amusing... Maybe it's just me! Anyhow, to get back on topic, I believe all trains have whistles rather than hooters these days. I think quite a few of the signal boxes still have hooters though. The hooter in Barking sidings is particularly loud!!
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Post by Tomcakes on May 26, 2006 22:29:56 GMT
Signal boxes? What do they need hooters/whistles for?!
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Post by c5 on May 26, 2006 22:38:18 GMT
Signal boxes? What do they need hooters/whistles for?! To summon the attention of Train Operators or staff working on the track. The most common use is to "remind" the train operator to move their train, by one long blast Myself and a DMT once tried to found the list of signal cabin codes and used them for a while as a laugh, though suprisingly no-one else did know them! I've also used to acknowledge Train Operators I know!
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Post by Tomcakes on May 26, 2006 22:39:56 GMT
Ah right, thanks . You learn something new every day!
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2006 22:50:49 GMT
It always makes me smile when I see the trainees doing their trackwalk at West Ken. Blow the whistle and they immediately and simultaneously raise their arms like well trained soldiers! Not sure why I find it so amusing... Maybe it's just me! No, it's me too.
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Post by c5 on May 26, 2006 23:37:32 GMT
It always makes me smile when I see the trainees doing their trackwalk at West Ken. Blow the whistle and they immediately and simultaneously raise their arms like well trained soldiers! Not sure why I find it so amusing... Maybe it's just me! No, it's me too. I remember my first time doing that, twas a bit daunting gettin me little legs over those rails. And of course the District Old Man "advises" the trains of our presence so we got the usual sacrcastic waves and grins Though, having said that we didn't help matters when a colleague was close to clipping a juice rail by going "sshhtt"
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Post by prjb on May 27, 2006 0:41:03 GMT
Whistle codes? Wow, that takes me back! One long blast for Danger, Two blasts to call Station Staff, Three blasts to recall your guard, Four blasts to summon a fitter, oh and a Partridge in a Pear Tree! I think thats right!? Not forgetting Six Bells on a block telegraph!
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Post by c5 on May 27, 2006 0:55:09 GMT
Whistle codes? Not forgetting Six Bells on a block telegraph! You can't be that old.... surely !
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Post by prjb on May 27, 2006 9:00:05 GMT
They still taught it as a danger signal when I went through the school at White City. Not sure if it was still evident on the railway but they taught it anyway!
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Post by Tom on May 27, 2006 9:09:31 GMT
Signal boxes? What do they need hooters/whistles for?! To summon the attention of Train Operators or staff working on the track. The most common use is to "remind" the train operator to move their train, by one long blast Wasn't one blast 'Signal or other failure. AET to contact Signal Operator'?
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Post by Tubeboy on May 27, 2006 9:13:55 GMT
I remember doing my initial training three years ago, and was told when there are staff on the track, one long blast on the whistle if going e/b or s/b. Two short blasts if you are going w/b or n/b.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2006 9:53:58 GMT
I remember doing my initial training three years ago, and was told when there are staff on the track, one long blast on the whistle if going e/b or s/b. Two short blasts if you are going w/b or n/b. Ah, WIND and OUSE! (Westbound, Inner rail, Northbound, Down and Outer rail, Up, Southbound and Eastbound).
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Post by c5 on May 27, 2006 10:03:10 GMT
They still taught it as a danger signal when I went through the school at White City. Not sure if it was still evident on the railway but they taught it anyway! I *think* Harrow-on-the-Hill still have a block bell to send an obtruction danger code (6 bells) to the Marylebone Signal Box in an emergency. When there new facility opened it was replaced with a switch.
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Post by Harsig on May 27, 2006 12:56:10 GMT
They still taught it as a danger signal when I went through the school at White City. Not sure if it was still evident on the railway but they taught it anyway! I *think* Harrow-on-the-Hill still have a block bell to send an obtruction danger code (6 bells) to the Marylebone Signal Box in an emergency. When there new facility opened it was replaced with a switch. You can think what you like but there are no block bells at Harrow any more. There is though an emeregncy alarm panel which does duty for sending Obstruction Danger between Harrow and Marylebone IECC. It consists of a switch to send the alarm and a button to acknowledge receipt of the alarm. In theory it is tested every day but in the time I worked at Harrow I only ever saw it used in anger once following report of a tree on the line. A similar panel is installed in Amersham Cabin
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Post by prjb on May 27, 2006 13:05:29 GMT
To summon the attention of Train Operators or staff working on the track. The most common use is to "remind" the train operator to move their train, by one long blast Wasn't one blast 'Signal or other failure. AET to contact Signal Operator'? I think I'm confusing the issue a bit, I was referring to train whistle codes. I'm sure that cabins had a different system that they worked by.
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Post by prjb on May 27, 2006 13:08:26 GMT
I remember doing my initial training three years ago, and was told when there are staff on the track, one long blast on the whistle if going e/b or s/b. Two short blasts if you are going w/b or n/b. 'WIND' and 'OUSE' are codes for look outs to warn staff on the track of an approaching train, particularly in multi track areas.
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Post by prjb on May 27, 2006 13:11:35 GMT
I *think* Harrow-on-the-Hill still have a block bell to send an obtruction danger code (6 bells) to the Marylebone Signal Box in an emergency. When there new facility opened it was replaced with a switch. You can think what you like but there are no block bells at Harrow any more. There is though an emeregncy alarm panel which does duty for sending Obstruction Danger between Harrow and Marylebone IECC. It consists of a switch to send the alarm and a button to acknowledge receipt of the alarm. In theory it is tested every day but in the time I worked at Harrow I only ever saw it used in anger once following report of a tree on the line. A similar panel is installed in Amersham Cabin In his defence C5 did state that he only thought Harrow still had a block bell. Also from your excellent description it does seem that he was half correct!
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