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Post by Deep Level on Feb 9, 2013 21:18:18 GMT
Doing some research recently I came across the information that when the Metropolitan Railway first got extended to Liverpool Street they actually used platforms in the mainline station, also looking at Carto's Map here I can see that this was indeed the case ( carto.metro.free.fr/cartes/metro-tram-london/index.php?gpslat=51.516949&gpslon=-0.086129&zoom=5). So I have a few questions regarding this: 1) Where were these platforms 2) Is this track access still here? 2a) If there's no track access anymore, how about tunnel access? Or did they not need a tunnel back then? |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 9, 2013 22:33:25 GMT
They did use a tunnel, part of which is still there and used for staff purposes.
The track access was through platforms 1 and 2 of the old station, but was long gone before the rebuilding in the lates eighties/early nineties, although for many years access from the concourse to platform 1 was only possible from the footbridge
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2013 22:59:43 GMT
I believe you can still make out the bricked up tunnel entrance that linked to the mainline station. It's close to the disused signal box on the approach to the outer rail circle, met and h&c platform 1. I'm working there tomorrow and will attempt to get a picture.
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Post by phillw48 on Feb 10, 2013 9:47:23 GMT
The intention was I understand to run Metropolitan trains through to Chingford.
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Post by railtechnician on Feb 10, 2013 13:44:56 GMT
The Queen Victoria tunnel is still there running under the Broadgate development out to the shopping area. The other end behind the Met signal cabin was the old LT canteen when I began my LT career, then it became a stores area for various contractors during the 1980s station modernisation. It is set to become a new concourse off the main LU ticket hall with escalators running beneath the Met tracks to the new Crossrail station unless the plans have changed since I did the Crossrail enabling works survey there in 1995/6.
What one sees behind the signal cabin is not so much a bricked up tunnel but the kitchen area of the old canteen which is actually built between the tunnel entrance and the Met tracks.
Thinking about it I am aware of another plan for the old canteen which came later in the 1990s but suffice it to say that is not open to discussion here and I have no idea whether it came to fruition or not.
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Feb 10, 2013 16:54:21 GMT
The intention was I understand to run Metropolitan trains through to Chingford. So the Met would almost have been Crossrail 1? |
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Post by christopher125 on Feb 17, 2013 1:51:34 GMT
Are there any photo's of this tunnel on the internet? I can't recall ever seeing one.
Chris
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Post by phillw48 on Feb 17, 2013 10:03:37 GMT
Are there any photo's of this tunnel on the internet? I can't recall ever seeing one. Chris There is a photograph of the Liverpool Street end of the tunnel. It was published in a special edition of British Railway Journal(GER) about 20 years ago. The GER society may be able to help. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2013 10:40:15 GMT
I haven't had time to look at all the pictures on this Flickr site by Nigel@Hornchurch but there may be some evidence of the tunnel in there somewhere!  Link: Liverpool Street PhotosOne thing from the stream though, it saddens me to be reminded how they managed to turn the beautiful structures of the Liverpool Street I remember as a child into a soul-less white tiled mausoleum.  |
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Post by phillw48 on Feb 18, 2013 13:04:33 GMT
I haven't had time to look at all the pictures on this Flickr site by Nigel@Hornchurch but there may be some evidence of the tunnel in there somewhere! Link: Liverpool Street PhotosOne thing from the stream though, it saddens me to be reminded how they managed to turn the beautiful structures of the Liverpool Street I remember as a child into a soul-less white tiled mausoleum. The very first photograph was taken from the footbridge that used to give access to platform 1 that crossed the mouth of the tunnel. Correction, the second photo. |
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Post by drpete on Feb 24, 2013 10:35:08 GMT
Doing some research recently I came across the information that when the Metropolitan Railway first got extended to Liverpool Street they actually used platforms in the mainline station, also looking at Carto's Map here I can see that this was indeed the case ( carto.metro.free.fr/cartes/metro-tram-london/index.php?gpslat=51.516949&gpslon=-0.086129&zoom=5). So I have a few questions regarding this: 1) Where were these platforms 2) Is this track access still here? 2a) If there's no track access anymore, how about tunnel access? Or did they not need a tunnel back then? What a fabulous map! Thanks! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2013 13:02:12 GMT
I haven't had time to look at all the pictures on this Flickr site by Nigel@Hornchurch but there may be some evidence of the tunnel in there somewhere! Link: Liverpool Street PhotosOne thing from the stream though, it saddens me to be reminded how they managed to turn the beautiful structures of the Liverpool Street I remember as a child into a soul-less white tiled mausoleum. What a fabulous set of photos! Thanks for sharing, Nigel@Hornchurch. Shed apart, the old station as I recall was, from the passenger point of view, a dump. There was no proper concourse, and the circulating area was divided in two by Platforms 9 and 10 extending almost to touch the Great Eastern Hotel, as can clearly be seen in one of the photos. To move between the sections you either had a long detour through a pinch-point, or over a footbridge - both highly inconvenient, especially with luggage. The approaches and facilities were grey, dour, and very depressing. The rebuild created a huge, bright, airy concourse, preserving and restoring as much or the original as feasible in a modern context. The shed itself with its magnificent roof has been superbly restored. The station to my mind is an excellent example of harmonising the best of historic architecture with a pleasing, functional, modern environment. Granted King's Cross and St Pancras have now stolen the crown for restoration-with-modernisation, but that's progress. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2013 16:04:31 GMT
Just a comment - I love the Carto maps - I have used the Paris Metro one several times.
Anyway, I did want to highly recommend Joe Brown's book London Railway Atlas, now in its 3rd edition.
It has a very detailed close up track plan toward the back (p. 59 in 2nd edition, 3rd edition - p. ?) of the Met tracks to platform 1 and 2 along with some detailed historical notes on dates.
I highly recommend this book.
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