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Post by pimlico on Feb 14, 2013 7:41:38 GMT
Hello everyone, Recently while traveling on the W&C line, I have noticed some trains, have windows what look like they have had white paint chucked up them. I really have not got a clue what it is, maybe vandalism? But then I went on you tube, and in this video what was taken in August 2012. The windows are still stained... Skip to 6:25 But here I can only see it one one train, there must be 3 working with this stained windows. Surely if it was Vandalism, it must have been cleared of since August. Any ideas  |
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Post by 1018509 on Feb 14, 2013 15:39:04 GMT
Don't know about the paint but it looks bad and should be cleaned or re-glazed.
Incidentally, on that film, at the end, a train can be seen entering the depot in what seems like sunshine. Is there an open section between the end of the platform at Waterloo and the depot?
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Post by trt on Feb 14, 2013 15:43:32 GMT
Don't know about the paint but it looks bad and should be cleaned or re-glazed. Incidentally, on that film, at the end, a train can be seen entering the depot in what seems like sunshine. Is there an open section between the end of the platform at Waterloo and the depot? Yes there is. It's where they crane the carriages in and out. |
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Post by brigham on Feb 14, 2013 17:11:03 GMT
Could it be caused by a corrosive mixture of horse dung and urine filtering through from the cab rank at Waterloo?
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Post by pgb on Feb 14, 2013 18:49:21 GMT
That looks more like that train has been parked under a birds next for a few days! That would account for it still being present I would say
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2013 21:19:07 GMT
...Incidentally, on that film, at the end, a train can be seen entering the depot in what seems like sunshine. Is there an open section between the end of the platform at Waterloo and the depot? Yes there is. It's where they crane the carriages in and out. The depot area is also very highly lit up so the trains can be worked on. Saw that on a section of a V125 driver's eye view ["Bakerloo & City"] |
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Post by stevo on Feb 15, 2013 12:12:03 GMT
Please forgive my lack of knowledge, but why was a stretch of line built with no physical connection to any other line thereby requiring cars to be craned in and out?
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Post by trt on Feb 15, 2013 12:24:19 GMT
The rail network was initially created by dozens of private ventures. The W&C was built by one of the rail companies because they couldn't get close enough to the heart of the City and were facing competition from Cannon Street. It transferred to London Underground Ltd in the 90s. It originally had a lift that connected to the surface for moving rolling stock in and out, but that was covered over by the Eurostar platforms, now no longer used.
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Post by rsdworker on Feb 15, 2013 12:27:50 GMT
The rail network was initially created by dozens of private ventures. The W&C was built by one of the rail companies because they couldn't get close enough to the heart of the City and were facing competition from Cannon Street. It transferred to London Underground Ltd in the 90s. It originally had a lift that connected to the surface for moving rolling stock in and out, but that was covered over by the Eurostar platforms, now no longer used. yeah now eurostar platforms now fallen in disuse - really they should demolish and restore lift or ramp connecting to tracks to allow stock to be transfered in and out simllar to glagsow subway - they used be had hoist to take cars out and in but latter new connection to depot via new ramp |
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Post by trt on Feb 15, 2013 12:40:00 GMT
The rail network was initially created by dozens of private ventures. The W&C was built by one of the rail companies because they couldn't get close enough to the heart of the City and were facing competition from Cannon Street. It transferred to London Underground Ltd in the 90s. It originally had a lift that connected to the surface for moving rolling stock in and out, but that was covered over by the Eurostar platforms, now no longer used. yeah now eurostar platforms now fallen in disuse - really they should demolish and restore lift or ramp connecting to tracks to allow stock to be transfered in and out simllar to glagsow subway - they used be had hoist to take cars out and in but latter new connection to depot via new ramp I think they still plan to use the old Eurostar platforms for domestic commuter services, but the hold up at the moment is something about the design not being right for commuter style passenger flows. As an international terminal, it was built with customs, passport and other UK Border Agency things. |
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Post by rsdworker on Feb 15, 2013 13:53:56 GMT
yeah now eurostar platforms now fallen in disuse - really they should demolish and restore lift or ramp connecting to tracks to allow stock to be transfered in and out simllar to glagsow subway - they used be had hoist to take cars out and in but latter new connection to depot via new ramp I think they still plan to use the old Eurostar platforms for domestic commuter services, but the hold up at the moment is something about the design not being right for commuter style passenger flows. As an international terminal, it was built with customs, passport and other UK Border Agency things. yeah the lower level below platforms - the areas could easily demolished and converted to large concourse for use with large gate lines or change lower level to shopping use or new Underground station ticket hall and move concourse up to same level of platforms but if not possible then they could look at removing and rebuilding it |
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Feb 15, 2013 17:25:06 GMT
yeah now eurostar platforms now fallen in disuse - really they should demolish and restore lift or ramp connecting to tracks to allow stock to be transfered in and out simllar to glagsow subway - they used be had hoist to take cars out and in but latter new connection to depot via new ramp I think they still plan to use the old Eurostar platforms for domestic commuter services, but the hold up at the moment is something about the design not being right for commuter style passenger flows. As an international terminal, it was built with customs, passport and other UK Border Agency things. No, there are plans to make Waterloo International the terminal for both sleeper services from London. (ScotRail's Caledonian Sleeper and FGW's Night Riviera) The reason is fairly simple. Euston's can't handle the Caledonian Sleeper on most of it's platforms, and during the reconstruction, those platforms might not be available. (also, ScotRail is planning on replacing the Mk1/Mk2s with an all Mk3 fleet, therefore making the train too long for all platforms). Waterloo International is perfect for sleeper trains. It has very long platforms, has a lounge area, and doesn't need much conversion. (only removal of border patrol area) And the best part is; it's already there, and doesn't need any construction at all. (accesses Waterloo International using the WLL) So it is the best deal ever, and demolishing it would be a waste. |
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Post by metrailway on Feb 15, 2013 18:39:21 GMT
It is planned to re-open Platform 20 for domestic services. The BRB website states that "work is due to finish in spring 2013" but I believe the opening date is now 2014.
IIRC the Sleeper terminal plan stems from a Modern Railways article (which I haven't read). I don't think there are any concrete plans from DfT/BRB/NR etc to convert the station into a sleeper hub. It is an excellent idea though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2013 19:17:29 GMT
...restore lift or ramp connecting to tracks to allow stock to be transfered in and out simllar to glagsow subway - they used be had hoist to take cars out and in but latter new connection to depot via new ramp Video 125 has a great title called "The (old) Glasgow Subway" which shows the old lift hoists into the depot above in operation. And they were very quick at replacing cars! |
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Post by londonboi1985 on Feb 17, 2013 11:08:08 GMT
the stains on the units were actually caused by roadworks that were happening right beside the "hole" near the depot at the back of waterloo station it is a cememt mixture that got spilled during road works and dripped down over the trains.
it has tried to be scrapped off and washed off but apparently it wont budge!!!
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Post by silverfoxcc on Feb 26, 2013 19:04:55 GMT
Re the West Coast Sleepers into the old Eurostar complex
Will they use class 92 all the way, or put up some OHL just for it?
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