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Post by londonstuff on Mar 1, 2014 23:05:06 GMT
Lots to comment on here, I'm sure. Would love to have seen London like this.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Mar 1, 2014 23:46:50 GMT
Number 28.........isn't that a 1960ts? Not sure what station though. Hainault?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 2, 2014 0:08:50 GMT
Number 28.........isn't that a 1960ts? Looks like a 1967 stock to me, and the caption suggests so too. The Central Line strip map was presumably fitted whilst the tests were being carried out, before the Victoria Line was ready. |
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Post by superteacher on Mar 2, 2014 0:32:51 GMT
Number 28.........isn't that a 1960ts? Not sure what station though. Hainault? Definitely a 1967 tube stock train. It looks like it's in the bay platform at Woodford.The 67 stock was trialled on the Woodford to Hainault section, which wouldn't normally use this platform. Therefore, I think it's there for some sort of press event prior to full entry into service. |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Mar 2, 2014 8:02:51 GMT
Of course! Bloody hell I travelled on enough of them on that line! Ta!
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Post by geriatrix on Mar 2, 2014 11:08:16 GMT
Nice pics - but Number 15, with the guitar. What stock was that?
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Post by grahamhewett on Mar 2, 2014 12:12:26 GMT
geriatrix - yes, I wondered that - doesn't look like Q23 stock (can't remember much about CDE stock in service, and it's definitely not F). BTW, the astonishing thing is how grubby London was in the fifties and early sixties - grimy buildings (no smokeless fuel) but also shops with taty blinds and windows even in central London. Also - just how crowded the pavements were.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 2, 2014 12:23:32 GMT
With curtains at the windows, sliding widows and tables between the seats I would hazard a guess, this is no Underground rolling stock!
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Post by phillw48 on Mar 2, 2014 12:56:11 GMT
The light fittings suggest LNER stock.
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Post by grahamhewett on Mar 2, 2014 12:56:16 GMT
- and then there's the very odd end door positioning - neither central nor flush with the side.
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Post by phillw48 on Mar 2, 2014 12:58:33 GMT
- and then there's the very odd end door positioning - neither central nor flush with the side. Buffet car? |
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Post by John Tuthill on Mar 2, 2014 13:37:53 GMT
The light fittings suggest LNER stock. looking at the 'audience' I wonder if it is LNER and one of their Jazz rains? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 15:21:28 GMT
Could picture 15 be one of those ex BR carriages used as a holiday home? The (what looks like movable) canteen style seats might imply that its decommissioned rolling stock. The picture of the 56 stock is very evocative. Its appeared somewhere before, but I think the chap on the platform is the then chairman greeting the driver on its inaugural run.
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Post by John Tuthill on Mar 2, 2014 16:12:52 GMT
Could picture 15 be one of those ex BR carriages used as a holiday home? The (what looks like movable) canteen style seats might imply that its decommissioned rolling stock. The picture of the 56 stock is very evocative. Its appeared somewhere before, but I think the chap on the platform is the then chairman greeting the driver on its inaugural run. "Underground Movement" Capital Transport page 111 for one......  |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 2, 2014 16:57:39 GMT
"Underground Movement" Capital Transport page 111 for one...... The caption reads: " Photograph taken on 12th August 1957 showing Sir John Elliott, then Chairman of the London Transport Executive, shaking hands with driver Sharpley bowing through the cab door, when the first of the prototypes was shown to the press at Northfields station. The press release read - 'The trains will be of striking appearance having an all-silver exterior, representing a break-away from the traditional Underground red. Each set of seven units which comprise a train will cost £100,000 but will save many pounds, for the silver trains do not require painting' " |
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Post by John Tuthill on Mar 2, 2014 17:15:56 GMT
"Underground Movement" Capital Transport page 111 for one...... The caption reads: " Photograph taken on 12th August 1957 showing Sir John Elliott, then Chairman of the London Transport Executive, shaking hands with driver Sharpley bowing through the cab door, when the first of the prototypes was shown to the press at Northfields station. The press release read - 'The trains will be of striking appearance having an all-silver exterior, representing a break-away from the traditional Underground red. Each set of seven units which comprise a train will cost £100,000 but will save many pounds, for the silver trains do not require painting' " That statement always amuses me know, at the time the weight saving was supposed to be reflected in less power to run the trains. I wonder if these days LU have discovered gravity free paint? |
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Post by grahamhewett on Mar 2, 2014 18:00:09 GMT
The caption reads: " Photograph taken on 12th August 1957 showing Sir John Elliott, then Chairman of the London Transport Executive, shaking hands with driver Sharpley bowing through the cab door, when the first of the prototypes was shown to the press at Northfields station. The press release read - 'The trains will be of striking appearance having an all-silver exterior, representing a break-away from the traditional Underground red. Each set of seven units which comprise a train will cost £100,000 but will save many pounds, for the silver trains do not require painting' " That statement always amuses me know, at the time the weight saving was supposed to be reflected in less power to run the trains. I wonder if these days LU have discovered gravity free paint? I recall the alleged savings quoted as being 2 tons... |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 2, 2014 20:28:06 GMT
The light fittings suggest LNER stock. looking at the 'audience' I wonder if it is LNER and one of their Jazz rains? The LNER (and GER) "jazz" service was the intensive steam suburban service introduced in about 1920 in an attempt to meet growing demand form its services without going to the expense of electrification like its Southern neighbours (the GER was very like the Southern companies in having a large suburban operation - unlike the GNR, LNWR, GWR whose main markets were first coal, and second long distance traffic, with suburban a poor third: the GER, LBSCR etc had no coal and relatively little long distance traffic). Peak hour operation could turn a train round at Liverpool Street in four minutes, and a loco in ten. To speed up platform operation the different classes of coach were painted in different contrasting colours - giving a "jazzy" appearance to the train. As far as I know the stock used was compartment stock, and a guitar was no more or less likely to be found on one than any other LNER train. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2014 12:34:24 GMT
In my opinion station TfL should have preserved the station designs of stations in the 50s/60s - e.g compare how bland many stations are now compared to how unique they used to be in the 1960s or even 1990s!
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Post by theblackferret on Sept 12, 2014 10:11:50 GMT
Lots to comment on here, I'm sure. Would love to have seen London like this.
ClickyWell, I had the pleasure of seeing it, at least from 1952, when I was born! 17-20 all look like they were taken during the 1958 Bus strike, which really did paralyse London Transport, and it lasted over 6 weeks. Rush hour crowds were rarely quite that mental. Did anyone spot Eric Morecambe in picture 21?  And yes, it did look drab, even in colour. I can distinctly remember window-shopping in the West End of a Sunday & anywhere with an American-themed window (including the original HMV shop in Oxford Street) had piles of people gawping in, because such outlets (or shops as they were called then) were the only islands of colour, it seemed, in a sea of dingy grey. As adults were gawping along with the wee me, I suspect a lot of other people had the same impression, too. And thanks for putting these up, ferrets et al! |
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Post by John Tuthill on Sept 12, 2014 12:45:27 GMT
Lots to comment on here, I'm sure. Would love to have seen London like this.
ClickyWell, I had the pleasure of seeing it, at least from 1952, when I was born! 17-20 all look like they were taken during the 1958 Bus strike, which really did paralyse London Transport, and it lasted over 6 weeks. Rush hour crowds were rarely quite that mental. Did anyone spot Eric Morecambe in picture 21? And yes, it did look drab, even in colour. I can distinctly remember window-shopping in the West End of a Sunday & anywhere with an American-themed window (including the original HMV shop in Oxford Street) had piles of people gawping in, because such outlets (or shops as they were called then) were the only islands of colour, it seemed, in a sea of dingy grey. As adults were gawping along with the wee me, I suspect a lot of other people had the same impression, too. And thanks for putting these up, ferrets et al! Most of the photos are stills from an LT film called "UNDER NIGHT STREETS" its on You Tube. Watch for the 'continuity' and the voice overs (Gordon Jackson AKA Cowley of 'The Professionals' is the tube train driver.) Happy days. |
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Post by Indefatigable on Sept 12, 2014 18:09:42 GMT
Are all of the stations mentioned and/or seen in the film still in use?
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Post by John Tuthill on Sept 12, 2014 18:18:00 GMT
Are all of the stations mentioned and/or seen in the film still in use? Yes. Interesting that picture 3 has the station name as 'PICCADILLY' and picture 9 shows 'KINGS CROSS' |
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Post by geriatrix on Sept 13, 2014 8:45:32 GMT
[/quote] Most of the photos are stills from an LT film called "UNDER NIGHT STREETS" its on You Tube. Watch for the 'continuity' and the voice overs (Gordon Jackson AKA Cowley of 'The Professionals' is the tube train driver.) Happy days. [/quote] Watched this last night. Nowadays does the "gaffer" still trundle along the rails on an adapted bicycle with a big stabilizer? |
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Post by John Tuthill on Sept 13, 2014 9:15:22 GMT
Most of the photos are stills from an LT film called "UNDER NIGHT STREETS" its on You Tube. Watch for the 'continuity' and the voice overs (Gordon Jackson AKA Cowley of 'The Professionals' is the tube train driver.) Happy days. [/quote] Watched this last night. Nowadays does the "gaffer" still trundle along the rails on an adapted bicycle with a big stabilizer?[/quote] Probably not, HSE would say no. A time warp-all the gaffers wearing bowler/trilby hats, the banal voice over(by Leslie Dwyer the ventriloquist in Hidi hi!) and the continuity! A train leaves Morden, arrives at the southbound Piccadilly Circus(you see the scissor crossover still in situ) and the next shot it's arriving at the northbound PC platform. Funny that in reading "100 years of the Hampstead Tube" there was a proposal to link the Bakerloo & the Northern line at the Elephant & Castle. "Derek Ibbertson" must have been a runner and a half, he's seen coming out of the tunnel at Lambeth North after running from presumably Piccadilly Circus where the gangers are disrobing. The commentary doesn't use real station names for some reason(Park Station) Don't know which station the 'A' team arrived at(Piccadilly Circus?)they carry all their kit down the escalator-but where did the trolley appear from? A couple of the gangers drinking their tea were actors, usually playing 'cockney types' in Ealing comedies. I'm also sure the scots ganger was an actor Pure nostalgia |
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Post by theblackferret on Sept 13, 2014 11:37:53 GMT
Having now watched the film, I'd like to say to the bloke who proposed 24-hour Tubes (no names, no packdrill) just watch this, pal, and realise you are spouting rubbish, rather than getting it cleared up and keeping us safe on the Tubes!
A propos of the 'wasn't it dull in the 50's', please excuse this off-topic video, riding through London streets in the 1950's:
Because it does actually convey, via shop fronts, displays, people's clothing, colours of cars, that same sense of dreary and weary in the black and white film, at least compared to the era from around 1970 to now.
PS-so as to not drag this off-line, I'm starting a new thread over in the mess room area for some other entertaining 50's/60's vids of London that DON'T revolve around the Tubes!
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Sept 13, 2014 14:15:53 GMT
(Gordon Jackson AKA Cowley of 'The Professionals' is the tube train driver.) Happy days. And in an earlier, and far more dignified persona, Hudson from Upstairs Downstairs. |
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Post by phillw48 on Sept 13, 2014 17:52:06 GMT
Having now watched the film, I'd like to say to the bloke who proposed 24-hour Tubes (no names, no packdrill) just watch this, pal, and realise you are spouting rubbish, rather than getting it cleared up and keeping us safe on the Tubes! A propos of the 'wasn't it dull in the 50's', please excuse this off-topic video, riding through London streets in the 1950's: Because it does actually convey, via shop fronts, displays, people's clothing, colours of cars, that same sense of dreary and weary in the black and white film, at least compared to the era from around 1970 to now. PS-so as to not drag this off-line, I'm starting a new thread over in the mess room area for some other entertaining 50's/60's vids of London that DON'T revolve around the Tubes! At the end of the clip it shows other clips, one of them is 'The secret station, Aldwych.' |
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