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Post by Tom on Aug 24, 2014 16:50:03 GMT
Problem is Ben, to bring in foreign stock costs a lot in mods to allow it to run and the necessary approvals, never mind the cost of the stock itself. None of the 38TS runs on the Met have ever been sellouts, and I wonder if the ticket sales for a guest appearance of, say, a DEMU would even cover the costs.
I certainly wouldn't be anti seeing some stock from another line run (subject to Test Crew availability of course) - 73TS downhill from Amersham anyone?
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Post by Antje on Aug 24, 2014 17:01:40 GMT
I hope for TfL to negotiate acquisition of outgoing metro stock from other countries. it is a shame that there is no centralised website for breaking news about underground and metro train developments, like Banknote News.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 24, 2014 18:45:16 GMT
You could theoretically have a 20 on each end, but I doubt that would interest anyone. I've never yet had haulage by a Class 20! |
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Post by rincew1nd on Aug 24, 2014 18:48:19 GMT
You could theoretically have a 20 on each end, but I doubt that would interest anyone. I've never yet had haulage by a Class 20! I remember being with gantshill behind Sarah with a class 20 tailing, we were sat talking when all of a sudden we heard the throb of a diesel engine and then everything got a bit quicker! |
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Post by MoreToJack on Aug 24, 2014 20:13:24 GMT
You could theoretically have a 20 on each end, but I doubt that would interest anyone. I've never yet had haulage by a Class 20! I should clarify that by 'anyone' I mean 'non-enthusiasts'. Baring in mind that the heritage running during both Rickmansworth Canal Festival and Amersham Heritage Day are aimed at non-enthusiasts it's unlikely that they will want to see two diesel locomotives running. As someone earlier on has mentioned, the 38TS, A stock and Sarah runs have never sold out on these days, so the likelihood of bringing something in - or going to any particular effort beyond 'the norm' is slim. There was one trip last year when I was the only person on a four-car train (Aside from the crew, of course.). |
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Post by sawb on Aug 24, 2014 21:06:55 GMT
If it is just the locomotives then I'd bring in the A Stock. The A stock is being prepared for RAT duties and as such is unavailable. The '38 stock has recently been lifted at Ealing Common for investigatory works, and is also unavailable. Sarah Siddons is also unavailable, although I am not entirely sure of the reason why. You could theoretically have a 20 on each end, but I doubt that would interest anyone. There may also be other factors at play here to do with staff and volunteer availability, as this event is of course has a heavy involvement from the museum and the Friends. Sunday 7th September is also the date of the Dartford bus garage open day, which the museum and Friends are attending with some vehicles. Monday 8th to Sunday 14th September is also Battle Bus conversion week, with the Depot Open Weekend on 13th/14th of course. This means that some volunteers (myself included) will be at the museum all week. Not having sat in any of the planning meetings that would have gone on, or been privy to any of the conversations or emails that doubtless would have taken place, I can only speculate, but it may be that someone at the museum and/or within the Friends has expressed concern about volunteers burning out due to being on the go for an entire 8 day period, for those of us who would have been involved every day. For the record, I wouldn't have cared whether I was doing 8 days or the 3 days (1 day at Amersham plus 2 at Acton). Having major building work done in the street and our house so I just want to be out of the house as much as possible!  |
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Post by Chris W on Aug 24, 2014 22:00:42 GMT
Actually for that matter, has the S stock done an introduction tour yet? How many months... sorry... years... late would that tour be ??! Why not allow a D stock to go off-piste as it were then ?? It seems a huge shame not to improvise, although I fully understand staffing rotas to limit options... |
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Post by Tom on Aug 26, 2014 16:34:34 GMT
[ Why not allow a D stock to go off-piste as it were then ?? As I understand, D stock currently isn't permitted anywhere other than the District Line. A plan is being formed however...! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 16:44:27 GMT
Judging by at least one story, the D stock are allowed to go up to South Harrow - albeit with a PSR imposed on them under one of the low bridges that apparently prohibits S7s going up there. Naturally they're only allowed up there in the event of a mistake and subject to the driver knowing the road, but one has to deduce that they're allowed up there, or a wrong-direction move would be necessitated every time a District line driver takes a wrong stick at Hanger Lane junction, or is that now the situation? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 18:06:05 GMT
D Stock does occasionally go to South Harrow, either because of a wrong signal offered (and accepted, and where it isn't practicable for the train to be set back behind the signal) or a route failure, where there is no option other than to divert it to North Ealing or 'leave it there'. It is unlikely that a District driver will 'know the road', and in the likely event that he/she doesn't a "pilotman" must be obtained for the train to go to South Harrow and back. It has happened recently, unless the rules have changed even more recently. But with S7 Stock it seems to be a complete "no no" ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 18:42:27 GMT
But with S7 Stock it seems to be a complete "no no" ? . It is unlikely that a District driver will 'know the road', and in the likely event that he/she doesn't a "pilotman" must be obtained for the train to go to South Harrow and back. How would the pilotman get on board if the train's sitting at Hanger Lane junction. Would the District line driver have to take it into North Ealing at caution speed? |
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Post by Ben on Aug 26, 2014 21:31:54 GMT
[ Why not allow a D stock to go off-piste as it were then ?? As I understand, D stock currently isn't permitted anywhere other than the District Line. A plan is being formed however...! Forgive me for speaking out here, but just so I've got this straight... In the name of fleet standardisation and the inherent flexibilty enabled, TfL have withdrawn two stocks that, at least until the signalling upgrade, were actually able to be accomodated on more routes and in more platforms/sidings than their replacements? Surely some irony there! I seem to recall quite a while back that there was talk of lifting the previous restrictions on the D stock; quite a long gestation period? Or is this a new ban after the suspension one? It is a great shame that everything must cost so much now. DMUs, DEMUs and guest EMUs have all appeared on the network in the past, but I suppose it is all now too long ago to be relevant to any case being made for future running. Anything unusual would be fun though - as you say, something like a 73 from Amersham. I do wonder if ticket prices are perhaps too high for the more 'regular' heritage outings? |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 26, 2014 21:57:10 GMT
In the name of fleet standardisation and the inherent flexibilty enabled, TfL have withdrawn two stocks that, at least until the signalling upgrade, were actually able to be accomodated on more routes and in more platforms/sidings than their replacements? Which stocks are those? S7 stock can go anywhere a A, C or D stock could, and S8 anywhere A stock could. D stock can't go some places S stock can (Edgware Road, for a start). |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 22:07:58 GMT
Well I'm pretty confident it is the case that the S's can't go to South Harrow, while the Ds could. I thought the Ds could go to Edgware Road, but not in passenger service, of course. I may be wrong, thought! S's can't go in Mansion House bay (except in emergencies), or Putney Bridge bay (neither can the Ds), or Farringdon sidings (neither could the As), or the old Triangle sidings (neither could the Ds), so we've lost two roads, or 29 road at Parsons Green (neither can the Ds), can't use the crossovers at Liverpool Street or Farringdon without the mother of all fusses being made (neither could the As, I think), can't use the Chalfont bay road, there may be more. Not ranting, I quite like the S stock, just explaining |
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Post by bassmike on Aug 27, 2014 9:55:56 GMT
Why not carry out a very simple procedure on the offending bridge by lowering the track ballast back to it's proper depth (could probably be done overnight) and stop all this stupidity. The ballast builds up gradually over periods of track maintainence by people who have a one-track mind (tube sized).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 17:45:37 GMT
[ Why not allow a D stock to go off-piste as it were then ?? As I understand, D stock currently isn't permitted anywhere other than the District Line. A plan is being formed however...! Must be 10 years ago now but I have benn on one in cancelled engineering hours to Neasden via Rayners Lane |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 19:17:20 GMT
If it is just the locomotives then I'd bring in the A Stock. The A stock is being prepared for RAT duties and as such is unavailable. The '38 stock has recently been lifted at Ealing Common for investigatory works, and is also unavailable. Sarah Siddons is also unavailable, although I am not entirely sure of the reason why. You could theoretically have a 20 on each end, but I doubt that would interest anyone. I am not sure how much I can say, but consider the 38 stock unavailable for a while. |
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Post by christopher125 on Sept 23, 2014 21:57:46 GMT
It appears the next Heritage Railway Magazine (available Thursday) will have news of a 5-year deal for the continued use of the Bluebell's Metropolitan carriage set in London. The latest Commissioner's Report has also revealed that over 2700 tickets were sold for heritage trains in August.
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Post by Indefatigable on Sept 25, 2014 18:40:32 GMT
[ Why not allow a D stock to go off-piste as it were then ?? As I understand, D stock currently isn't permitted anywhere other than the District Line. A plan is being formed however...! Some D stock services use the Picc fast lines do they not? Technically thats off the District lines! |
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Post by Chris M on Sept 25, 2014 21:28:01 GMT
They can also (under certain circumstances) use the Piccadilly Line as far as South Harrow...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 19:17:07 GMT
They can also (under certain circumstances) use the Piccadilly Line as far as South Harrow... Didn't one go all the way to Neasden? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 20:30:03 GMT
It sure did
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Post by Tom on Sept 28, 2014 8:28:51 GMT
The fast lines are counted as part of the district. AIUI, the D stock CTC currently allows for empty stock movements as far as Rayners Lane and to Neasden depot.
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Post by rincew1nd on Sept 28, 2014 9:39:46 GMT
If D Stock can run via Rayners Lane and then to Neasden, would it not be in gauge to run on to Baker Street and then outer rail to pick up the East-bound District again?
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Post by Tom on Sept 28, 2014 21:46:30 GMT
I don't see why not in theory, as everything should be positioned around the track to the correct structure profile. To be able to do so in practice I would expect a bit of a check on clearances on paper before a test in Engineering Hours, but I'm not an expert on clearances.
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