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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 13:07:28 GMT
How? You'll have to use Crossrail from Stratford to Romford or District/C2C from Barking to Upminster to connect with the rest of the Overground. Even the Enfield/Chingford group will have only two points of contact with the existing Overground - the OSIs at Walthamstow and Hackney. As for the suggestion that Overground will cover south of the river, there was a proposal to take over the SE Metro group but a number of misinformed Kent MPs kicked that into the long grass foir the duration of the next franchise. As for the SW, I can't see Stagecoach being happy about losing their captive market without being paid a lot of compensation. I realized my mistake now. He said Underground when I thought he said Overground. Sorry. As for south of the river, that would be a shame. I'd love to go from Whitechapel to Hampton Court. It would be very easy to get to. One straight train.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 9, 2014 13:13:29 GMT
I did note that the extension is planned to come off the main line on a viaduct. If TfL are serious about constructing R25 by 2050, then this has to incline down to at least ground level or probably sub-surface for the future tunnel under the Thames. They demolished the original Island Gardens station (on a viaduct) within a few years of its construction when they decided to extend under the river. No doubt the dsame could happen at Barking.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 13:19:11 GMT
I did note that the extension is planned to come off the main line on a viaduct. If TfL are serious about constructing R25 by 2050, then this has to incline down to at least ground level or probably sub-surface for the future tunnel under the Thames. They demolished the original Island Gardens station (on a viaduct) within a few years of its construction when they decided to extend under the river. No doubt the dsame could happen at Barking. I forgot that happened. If that does happen, my DLR platforms may have to move or the Overground could be slightly higher up.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 9, 2014 13:29:35 GMT
I'd love to go from Whitechapel to Hampton Court. It would be very easy to get to. One straight train. Contrary to what the Tube Map would have you believe, it's already very easy - a change at Clapham Junction (or Wimbledon if you prefer) is all that's needed. But unfortunately, despite its name, TfL considers any of the transport network in London not actually controlled by it to be beyond the pale . No-one would guess from the Tube map that Greenwich is just four two stops from Charing Cross. You might as well put "here be dragons" in the bottom corners of the Tube Map.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 13:33:52 GMT
I'd love to go from Whitechapel to Hampton Court. It would be very easy to get to. One straight train. Contrary to what the Tube Map would have you believe, it's already very easy - a change at Clapham Junction (or Wimbledon if you prefer) is all that's needed. But unfortunately, despite its name, TfL considers any of the transport network in London not actually controlled by it to be beyond the pale . No-one would guess from the Tube map that Greenwich is just four two stops from Charing Cross. You might as well put "here be dragons" in the bottom corners of the Tube Map. I know. I was just pointing out that it would be easier to get one train there. Hampton Court is already expensive enough to get into!
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 9, 2014 15:00:15 GMT
Contrary to what the Tube Map would have you believe, Whitechapel to Hampton Court is already very easy - a change at Clapham Junction (or Wimbledon if you prefer) is all that's needed! I know. I was just pointing out that it would be easier to get one train there. Hampton Court is already expensive enough to get into! Well of course, but you are never going to be in a situation where there are direct services from every station to every other station without changing. (Emerson Park to Sundridge Park? Drayton Park to Castle Bar Park?)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 15:26:49 GMT
I know. I was just pointing out that it would be easier to get one train there. Hampton Court is already expensive enough to get into! Well of course, but you are never going to be in a situation where there are direct services from every station to every other station without changing. (Emerson Park to Sundridge Park? Drayton Park to Castle Bar Park?) Good point.
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Post by theblackferret on Sept 9, 2014 16:25:15 GMT
Right, I think we can say DLR are not keen, so we need to encourage them.
Build a Tube line from Barking Riverside right through London to Greenford.
Just another Crossrail? Nope, branches join it from Romford, and from over the river, from Abbey Wood etc.
And from Sutton, Mill Hill, too, so you not only get everybody onto it, you get cross-connection north to south, cross-river connection, and something to ease pressure on the Central and Piccadilly lines.
DLR & LO will soon want to join the ballgame then.PS-Purely on the thread subject, this seems more and more to be a very partial answer to the transport problems, development of that area etc. Hesitate to say doing it on the cheap, but I do wonder? PPS-As proposed by rockorange below, new thread for this project may be found here: Green River Line
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 16:35:17 GMT
Right, I think we can say DLR are not keen, so we need to encourage them.
Build a Tube line from Barking Riverside right through London to Greenford.
Just another Crossrail? Nope, branches join it from Romford, and from over the river, from Abbey Wood etc.
And from Sutton, Mill Hill, too, so you not only get everybody onto it, you get cross-connection north to south, cross-river connection, and something to ease pressure on the Central and Piccadilly lines.
DLR & LO will soon want to join the ballgame then.PS-Purely on the thread subject, this seems more and more to be a very partial answer to the transport problems, development of that area etc. Hesitate to say doing it on the cheap, but I do wonder? Why not create a thread? From Harold Hill (From Romford), Shenfield (From Dagenham Dock via. Hornchurch High Street) or Bromley South (From Abbey Wood) to Greenford, Mill Hill or Sutton.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 17:13:14 GMT
I always wondered whether it would be possible to utilize the Greenway (essentially a sewer run) to extend the DLR from either Beckton or the Barking Reach area. The Greenway passes through several communities where there is no nearby train, DLR or tube station (we're talking two miles between the District line and the DLR down in the Royal Docks for a quite densely populated area. The Greenway passes very close to several key sites that are not currently served by public transport other than buses. I'm referring to Gallions Reach shopping Centre as well the retail parks on the west side of Royal Docks Rd, Newham University Hospital, as yet undeveloped land at the old Royal Mail Distribution site and the land just north of the District line at West Ham. Some of these could be stakeholders and stump up some of the cash required. A Greenway routed line could either join existing track near West Ham or it could continue on to the doorstep of the Olympic stadium, soon to be West Ham United's ground.
If started from Barking Riverside it would connect up to the Greenway via a bridge across Barking Creek. Only a thought because use of the Greenway would not require much by way of demolition. Perhaps there are reasons why a railway could not be built over a sewer? I'm not sure where the sewer access points are for example? I've not really thought the practicalities through but as said, much of the area is quite isolated with the A13 cutting through.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 17:47:00 GMT
I always wondered whether it would be possible to utilize the Greenway (essentially a sewer run) to extend the DLR from either Beckton or the Barking Reach area. The Greenway passes through several communities where there is no nearby train, DLR or tube station (we're talking two miles between the District line and the DLR down in the Royal Docks for a quite densely populated area. The Greenway passes very close to several key sites that are not currently served by public transport other than buses. I'm referring to Gallions Reach shopping Centre as well the retail parks on the west side of Royal Docks Rd, Newham University Hospital, as yet undeveloped land at the old Royal Mail Distribution site and the land just north of the District line at West Ham. Some of these could be stakeholders and stump up some of the cash required. A Greenway routed line could either join existing track near West Ham or it could continue on to the doorstep of the Olympic stadium, soon to be West Ham United's ground. If started from Barking Riverside it would connect up to the Greenway via a bridge across Barking Creek. Only a thought because use of the Greenway would not require much by way of demolition. Perhaps there are reasons why a railway could not be built over a sewer? I'm not sure where the sewer access points are for example? I've not really thought the practicalities through but as said, much of the area is quite isolated with the A13 cutting through. I have thought about a Greenway Tram before. Maybe from Mile End to London City Airport?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 18:35:53 GMT
That would be an even better idea rockorange. It would resolve the issue of costly bridges over roads which dissect the Greenaway. There would be various options at both the NW and SE ends with possible branches whether Mile End or Olympic Stadium or City Airport or Gallions Reach or on to Barking Riverside.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 19:12:53 GMT
That would be an even better idea rockorange. It would resolve the issue of costly bridges over roads which dissect the Greenaway. There would be various options at both the NW and SE ends with possible branches whether Mile End or Olympic Stadium or City Airport or Gallions Reach or on to Barking Riverside. What would happen to the existing cycle path? It is well used by cyclists from Barking to the City.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 19:49:14 GMT
I agree that it's a reasonable cycle away from cars but it's also got many dog walkers and pedestrians dogs and cyclists get in each others way. Its not really been given much attention (though better than it was) and the smell of dog fouling is awful in summer. I wonder if there might be room for trams and a segregated footpath and cycle lane? The grassy areas in most places extend quite a way to the side of the path.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 21:18:00 GMT
I agree that it's a reasonable cycle away from cars but it's also got many dog walkers and pedestrians dogs and cyclists get in each others way. Its not really been given much attention (though better than it was) and the smell of dog fouling is awful in summer. I wonder if there might be room for trams and a segregated footpath and cycle lane? The grassy areas in most places extend quite a way to the side of the path. Or a bus way for the ELT? Give Stratford a direct traffic free link to Barking Reach? Then the BRT would be a true BRT! With space for a cycle lane/footpath!
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Post by rincew1nd on Sept 10, 2014 7:13:57 GMT
Can we keep our RIPAS ideas to that board please and stay on topic here discussing the actual consultation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 15:13:26 GMT
If you want to talk about my DLR extension, the link is HERE!!
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Post by melikepie on Feb 9, 2015 18:56:19 GMT
According to the latest version of RAIL 767, the consultation found 90% of respondents agree with the extension. A second consultation will begin some time in Spring. Work could begin in 2017.
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Post by theblackferret on Feb 9, 2015 23:10:18 GMT
Interesting.
What occurs in 2016 vide London, but not in 2015 nor in 2017?
Or am I being a tad cynical?
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Post by snoggle on May 11, 2015 16:19:21 GMT
TfL have started a second stage of consultation on the Riverside extension. It offers a bit more detail on route options where the extension would cross the C2C route and offers the prospect of a second station being built at some future date. Looks like the likely completion date has slipped back somewhat - I thought they'd said 2019 previously, now 2020. Consultation Page
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Post by melikepie on Jun 11, 2015 20:49:02 GMT
I just discovered and it closes in 10 days on June 21st
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Post by snoggle on Jul 24, 2015 10:12:44 GMT
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Post by melikepie on Sept 4, 2015 16:14:17 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Sept 4, 2015 21:59:44 GMT
And interesting to see that the politicians a) want the second station built at Renwick Road b) still want the DLR to be extended through Barking Riverside c) want the Riverside extension extended under the Thames to Thamesmead / Abbey Wood ASAP d) want the Riverside extension built ASAP Also noteworthy that John Biggs AM wants evidence that a cross river tunnel is feasible and that there are no planning constraints in the way and that TfL have taken steps to prevent encroachment on a likely route under the Thames. I see there will be third round of consultation later this year. Surely they should get on with the powers process and get it built? The developers can't build more houses without a rail link being provided so TfL are effectively holding up the development.
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 6, 2015 21:53:45 GMT
I have concerns that climate change and sea level rise will force a rethink on this extension - and the DLR to Barking Riverside. That is, unless the stations are to be part of integrated transport schemes serving water buses.
Simon
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Post by melikepie on Dec 2, 2015 16:50:58 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Jan 28, 2016 17:32:45 GMT
Paper going to the Board next week asking the Board to delegate authorities downwards to the Finance and Policy Cttee and other TfL officers so that progress on the project is maintained across the Mayoral election period and avoids the need to recall the Board. Note the likely decision at the end of Feb about funding and other issues and then starting the TWAO process in March. tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/board-160203-item14-barking-riverside.pdf
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Post by melikepie on Feb 20, 2016 21:05:48 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Feb 20, 2016 23:14:59 GMT
And here is the paper that went to the Finance and Policy Cttee 4 days ago. content.tfl.gov.uk/fpc-160216-item03-barking-rail-extension.pdfShame the article can't even get the term "BRL" correct. They call it "Barking Riverside Line" when it is actually "Barking Riverside Limited" which is a mechanism to channel government, private and City Hall funding into the project and deal with land and property issues for the line. The simple fact here is that the Mayor has said "get on with it" to TfL and to those responsible for delivering housing at Barking Riverside. The area can't be redeveloped further to any great extent without a rail link (originally to be DLR, now GOBLIN).
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Post by melikepie on Mar 4, 2016 18:41:49 GMT
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