Transport Photos of Fulham

[roythebus]

I just found this link on Facebook www.facebook.com/BackTrackFulham?fref=photo&sk=photos quite a few of interest to people here, including Walham Green, Parsons Green, inside Lillie Bridge, trams, trolleys, West London Line...worth a look!

[roythebus]

Scroll down on that site and there's pic of the Q23 on a railtour and C69 at Hammersmith Met.

Pre-war RTs on the 28 at Chelverton Road Garage, lots of great stuff.

[grahamhewett]

In particular,there a couple of very interesting photos of rare subjects:

- the Metropolitan Asylum Board's tramway depot in fulham,replete with a fleet of horse trams - allegedly in the 1920s- for conveying the mentally ill down to a steamer connexion and onward transmission to isolatioin hulks (!) . Ihave never seen any reference at all in any of the very extensive tramway lterature to this operation.not even in the otherwise comprehensive history of hospitaltramways. Does anyone know any more?
- what appears to be an LBSC tank in Southern days calling at Chelsea and Fulham on the WLL. A Victoria to Willesden service?

[John Tuthill]

Mar 23, 2015 8:43:01 GMT grahamhewett said:

In particular,there a couple of very interesting photos of rare subjects:

- the Metropolitan Asylum Board's tramway depot in fulham,replete with a fleet of horse trams - allegedly in the 1920s- for conveying the mentally ill down to a steamer connexion and onward transmission to isolatioin hulks (!) . Ihave never seen any reference at all in any of the very extensive tramway lterature to this operation.not even in the otherwise comprehensive history of hospitaltramways. Does anyone know any more?
- what appears to be an LBSC tank in Southern days calling at Chelsea and Fulham on the WLL. A Victoria to Willesden service?

Most likely. Try and get a copy of "The West London Railways" by J.B. Atkinson, published by Ian Allen(1984)gives a very good comprehensive history of the WWL

[theblackferret]

Mar 23, 2015 8:43:01 GMT grahamhewett said:

In particular,there a couple of very interesting photos of rare subjects:

- the Metropolitan Asylum Board's tramway depot in fulham,replete with a fleet of horse trams - allegedly in the 1920s- for conveying the mentally ill down to a steamer connexion and onward transmission to isolatioin hulks (!) . Ihave never seen any reference at all in any of the very extensive tramway lterature to this operation.not even in the otherwise comprehensive history of hospitaltramways. Does anyone know any more?
- what appears to be an LBSC tank in Southern days calling at Chelsea and Fulham on the WLL. A Victoria to Willesden service?

On the second rarity, Middleton Press The West London Line (Vic Mitchell & Keith Smith) quotes the West London Extension Railway as being 1/6th owned by The Brighton as it was constituted by Act of 15.8.1859.

Better still, here's a page from the book itself, with a 1902 timetable showing the LBSCR service & giving the date SR trains stopped using the line.




Would be a rather useful link today, given the number of Chelski fans in Surrey & Chelsea & Fulham station site being right at the back of Stamford Bridge!

[John Tuthill]

Would be a rather useful link today, given the number of Chelski fans in Surrey & Chelsea & Fulham station site being right at the back of Stamford Bridge![/quote]

When Ken Bates took over at Chelsea he did investigate that very idea, with the new stand straddling the WWL, and platforms underneath. Alas nothing came of it

[Deleted]

Mar 23, 2015 11:37:02 GMT theblackferret said:

Would be a rather useful link today, given the number of Chelski fans in Surrey & Chelsea & Fulham station site being right at the back of Stamford Bridge!

Chelsea & Fulham station was on the opposite side of Fulham Road, between Fulham and King's Roads.

[norbitonflyer]

Mar 23, 2015 15:38:23 GMT @stonesfan said:

Mar 23, 2015 11:37:02 GMT theblackferret said:

Would be a rather useful link today, given the number of Chelski fans in Surrey & Chelsea & Fulham station site being right at the back of Stamford Bridge!

Chelsea & Fulham station was on the opposite side of Fulham Road, between Fulham and King's Roads.

It's not exactly a long walk though
www.disused-stations.org.uk/c/chelsea_fulham/chelsea(9.1980)fulham8.jpg

[norbitonflyer]

Mar 23, 2015 8:43:01 GMT grahamhewett said:

In particular,there a couple of very interesting photos of rare subjects:

- the Metropolitan Asylum Board's tramway depot in fulham,replete with a fleet of horse trams - allegedly in the 1920s- for conveying the mentally ill down to a steamer connexion and onward transmission to isolatioin hulks (!) . Ihave never seen any reference at all in any of the very extensive tramway lterature to this operation.not even in the otherwise comprehensive history of hospitaltramways. Does anyone know any more?

There was certainly a tram operation at the asylum in Dartford www.workhouses.org.uk/MAB-JoyceGreen/

There were several asylums in Fulham, in the area where Charing Cross Hospital now stands www.jtp.co.uk/public/uploads/pdfs/hammersmith_riverside_a1_cpw_complete_set_first_10_s.pdf, and LCC trams did operate along the Fulham Palace Road, but I have never read of private operators using the tracks.

[theblackferret]

Mar 23, 2015 11:37:02 GMT theblackferret said:

Mar 23, 2015 8:43:01 GMT grahamhewett said:

In particular,there a couple of very interesting photos of rare subjects:

- the Metropolitan Asylum Board's tramway depot in fulham,replete with a fleet of horse trams - allegedly in the 1920s- for conveying the mentally ill down to a steamer connexion and onward transmission to isolatioin hulks (!) . Ihave never seen any reference at all in any of the very extensive tramway lterature to this operation.not even in the otherwise comprehensive history of hospitaltramways. Does anyone know any more?
- what appears to be an LBSC tank in Southern days calling at Chelsea and Fulham on the WLL. A Victoria to Willesden service?

On the second rarity, Middleton Press The West London Line (Vic Mitchell & Keith Smith) quotes the West London Extension Railway as being 1/6th owned by The Brighton as it was constituted by Act of 15.8.1859.

Better still, here's a page from the book itself, with a 1902 timetable showing the LBSCR service & giving the date SR trains stopped using the line.




Would be a rather useful link today, given the number of Chelski fans in Surrey & Chelsea & Fulham station site being right at the back of Stamford Bridge!

Better still, for your original enquiry, here's a link which might prove rather useful on the Asylum line:

Hulkships

Looks like the hulks existed from 1881-1903 and there's at least some detail on the transport angle, but nothing on MAB's own trams nor 1920's.

EDIT

I've a feeling there was still an isolation hospital on Crayford Marshes in WW1, which may've been turned over to military use. I'll do some more digging, because it's possible there was a tramway to that adjacent to the SECR station.

[grahamhewett]

theblackferret - I have spent a happy morning with (1) Oakley's History of LCC tramways, (2) Capital transport's ditto, and (3) Voice's "Hospital Tramways. None of these mentions the Fulham operation and there is nothing on the maps that accompany them and indeed Voice's pretty comprehensive book shows the "Fulham" photograph as the Joyce Green depot. I concluded that the MAB Fulham article is plain wrong (and indeed the wording is curious - there seems to be some confusion between tramcar and the vehicles actually depicted which are based on the typical horse-drawn "Black maria" type used by the Metroplitan Police and which had no windows or very small ones at best - quite unlike the vehicles claimed to be lined up outside the MAB "Fulham" depot. ) It is also not clear where such a depot would have been located; again, the MAB article shows a completely different layout to the one in the photograph It would, in any case, have been a major cause for notice to see horse-drawn tramways on the streets of West London 20 years after the LCC horse routes had been converted. (And I imagine the LCC would not have been too keen to see the performance of its electric cars hindered by horse trams). So, most likely the Fulham claim is a load of rubbish based on sloppy research and mutual propping up by two wrong sources - the photo and the article! The most likely thing is that the Fulham operation relied on horsedrawn ambulances.

[theblackferret]

grahamhewett

Thanks-I couldn't fathom how the workhouse site could plainly state the hulks had been disposed of as precisely dated as that, and then the Fulham photos purport to show the connection 20 years on. Somebody had clearly got it wrong.

I got in touch with my cousin, who's a leading WWI researcher & TV presenter. Whilst his speciality is the fields of France, he is well-versed in the British railway efforts in the Great War.

There were majorly shell & ammunition plants on Crayford Marshes, and spurs were laid directly into them. There was also a temporary military hospital at some point down there, but it was strictly military and was closed (the official records are hazy, surprise, surprise!) around the winter of 1917/18, or at the very latest, the early spring of 1918.

The workhouse/fever Brook Hospital at Woolwich was taken over and expanded once the Armistice was signed. My late father had a triple heart by-pass there in 1991 & it looked very much still like a forces' hospital-in fact, being a Normandy veteran was probably how he ended up being treated there.

Not a lot to do with Fulham, but it ties up the loose ends!

[grahamhewett]

Thanks - now to tackle the bus and trolleybus photos (though those look more reliable!) May also be possible to pin down the Chelsea and Fulham station shot a bit more precisely (the Victoria service was so infrequent that one could almost fix the time of day...)

[John Tuthill]

Mar 24, 2015 11:26:50 GMT grahamhewett said:

Thanks - now to tackle the bus and trolleybus photos (though those look more reliable!) May also be possible to pin down the Chelsea and Fulham station shot a bit more precisely (the Victoria service was so infrequent that one could almost fix the time of day...)

Check out the 'Closed Stations' web page, they have maps as well as photos