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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 19:15:59 GMT
The Circle line tonight has "Minor delays clockwise only, due to operational restrictions."
What exactly does this mean as there is a good service anticlockwise.
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Post by Tubeboy on May 4, 2015 6:14:22 GMT
There was a shortage of drivers.
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Post by superteacher on May 4, 2015 6:50:48 GMT
It's beyond me why they can't just say that. Oh wait, that would involve the unprecedented step of actually telling the truth . . .
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 8:52:47 GMT
Yea, good point. Why do TfL sometimes lie or give a confusing response? It'd make it easier for commuters if they actually knew
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Post by Tubeboy on May 4, 2015 15:48:00 GMT
Well to be fair they usually say non availability of staff. I use staff shortages myself.
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Post by roythebus on May 4, 2015 20:13:00 GMT
Sometimes the punters won't understand the truth; it may be too technical for them.
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 5, 2015 9:32:09 GMT
Sometimes the the truth may be too technical for them. Not in this case though - although it may inspire jokes about giving them a box to stand on. |
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Post by will on May 31, 2015 19:52:08 GMT
It's happened again at 9:50 pm there are minor delays due to operating restrictions in the clockwise direction. Driver shortage again?
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 20:11:11 GMT
I just had a look at the TfL website at this - the status of the Overground does admit their lack of driver situation!
Under the 'Special Service' it reads, "Reduced train service from Liverpool Street. Customers are asked to note that there will be a reduced train service operating on services out of Liverpool St to Chingford, Cheshunt via Seven Sisters and Enfield Town today due to an unexpected shortage of drivers."
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Post by jetblast787 on May 31, 2015 21:03:29 GMT
I just had a look at the TfL website at this - the status of the Overground does admit their lack of driver situation! Under the 'Special Service' it reads, "Reduced train service from Liverpool Street. Customers are asked to note that there will be a reduced train service operating on services out of Liverpool St to Chingford, Cheshunt via Seven Sisters and Enfield Town today due to an unexpected shortage of drivers." Well thats not a good first day! Unless this was a recurring theme with Abellio and it's now the mess TfL have to deal with? |
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Post by Chris M on May 31, 2015 21:08:41 GMT
I wonder how much control over rosters TfL have had prior to today?
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Post by stapler on May 31, 2015 21:20:35 GMT
Have the drivers on the transferred routes been TUPEd? Have some elected to remain with AGA?
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Post by Tubeboy on May 31, 2015 21:43:57 GMT
Drivers have been TUPE'd over from AGA. Sunday working on these routes have been outside the working week, and it seems this will continue to be the case. Although drivers up to now have had to work certain Sundays as part of a local agreement hey are certainly not required to work Sunday's regularly, hence the probs today.
ASLEF now wants pay parity for the Ex Abellio drivers to the level of LOROL drivers, which is fair enough.
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Post by will on Jun 8, 2015 11:55:31 GMT
"Operating restrictions" now caused the suspension of the District line between High Street Ken the Circle has minor delays as does the Hammersmith & City between Hammersmith and Edgware Road what's going on  |
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Post by will on Jun 8, 2015 12:00:23 GMT
"Operating restrictions" now caused the suspension of the District line between High Street Ken and Edgware Road the Circle has minor delays as does the Hammersmith & City between Hammersmith and Edgware Road what's going on |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 12:27:47 GMT
I don't understand how they can have so few staff. I get one or two being ill, but this is just beyond stupid...
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 8, 2015 16:42:26 GMT
I don't understand how they can have so few staff. I get one or two being ill, but this is just beyond stupid... However many staff, or other resources, you have, if one of them is suddenly and unexpectedly unavailable, it takes a finite time to get a substitute to the right place. |
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Post by version3point1 on Jun 8, 2015 18:23:12 GMT
I don't understand how they can have so few staff. I get one or two being ill, but this is just beyond stupid... Not quite sure how I can break this down, but I'll try. You have your WTT. Then Scheduling Services basically make up the duties so that you can run the service to the WTT with the most efficient amount of drivers. There's never ever going to be a surplus. Let's imagine you get 4 drivers at Hammersmith, 4 at Edgware Road and 4 at Barking, one each to do early/middle/late/night shift. On top of that, we have 'spare' drivers, so another 4 at each depot, covering each of the different shifts. So 8 drivers at each depot, in total – one 'running' the actual duty – and one 'spare', backup if a running turn is not available for whatever reason. In reality, there are more than 8 drivers at a depot – but the ratio of spares to running turns is smaller, because it would be just ridiculous having a bunch of spares around, tied to each running turn, that might not have to run. Provided that only one or two drivers or off for whatever reason at any of the depots, then yes, it's coverable and you can run all the trains assigned to that line's WTT. But what if you have no spares? OK - you maybe borrow a spare from another depot, who might be available. Job done. Ah – but what if you simply have *no spares on the entire line*? D: Well, drama. The scenario that I've just outlined above is purely sickness or somebody running late to work or something, or some sort of absence you know about in advance of a duty starting or pick-up happening. When you run out of spares because the jobs to cover exceeds that of the number of spares you have at your disposal, you start having to make cancellations. But because you knew in advance that you didn't have 'x' amount of drivers to be able to cover part of the service, you can work the cancellations out in advance so trains get taken out of service at convenient times, and then brought back in later on when the other drivers book on. OK. Still with me?  Now take the scenario I've just given you above (patchy coverage as it is across the line, but you're doing OK), then somebody decides they need a PNR (Personal Needs Relief). Unless it's an absolute serious emergency, you can't block up the running line to take a PNR, so you would get to say Hammersmith, Edgware Road or Barking (where trains can be moved around you or worked in/out of another platform), and where a spare can be sent down to you. But what if the spare is already covering something else? Well, then the train sits in the platform until either the original driver comes back or a spare is found... Then what if somebody else needs a PNR? At the same time? Well, you lose another platform somewhere.  Meanwhile, other trains on the line are getting stuck on the approach, because the line capacity through say Edgware Road is restricted (which is what happened today). And it just so happens to be around the time when the early turn drivers are reaching their booking-off times. And once he goes over his time, train gets dumped to nearest depot/siding. Also – you have the drivers on the middle shifts, who are supposed to be getting off for their meal reliefs, and who may also be going over their parameters of 4h15mins, so they will be need to not only be off the train soon, but their meal reliefs will be late, so in order to make sure they get one, a spare will be needed to do perhaps one Circle on the running turn's 2nd half... But you've still got *no spares*. And now you have no drivers left (certainly on the early turn) either, not until a later spare or a running turn book on for duty... Still with me? Carnage. But it happens. Welcome to Edgware Road. |
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Now take the scenario I've just given you above (patchy coverage as it is across the line, but you're doing OK), then somebody decides they need a PNR (Personal Needs Relief). Unless it's an absolute serious emergency, you can't block up the running line to take a PNR, so you would get to say Hammersmith, Edgware Road or Barking (where trains can be moved around you or worked in/out of another platform), and where a spare can be sent down to you. But what if the spare is already covering something else? Well, then the train sits in the platform until either the original driver comes back or a spare is found...
